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20 Jul 2017 00:56:05
Word is starting to go around that Lesnar has informed WWE that he won't be re-signing after WM 34, and that he is already trying to get in position to have a UFC fight by the end of the year.

If true the expectation would be that he'd lose the title match at SS and possibly be written off after a failed attempt to reclaim the title at the september ppv.

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20 Jul 2017 13:32:39
Good ridance.

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20 Jul 2017 14:58:51
I think that would be best for business. I have not watched a single RAW since mania and a large part of that is the fact there is no champion.

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21 Jul 2017 11:15:35
Would UFC take him back after his positive drugs test after his fight with Hunt? Doubt it.
But now something has to be done about an absent champ.
Reigns is the obvious favourite, but I would love to see Strowman be given a chance. Having Strowman beat Lesnar clean would really cement his reputation.

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21 Jul 2017 11:15:35
Would UFC take him back after his positive drugs test after his fight with Hunt? Doubt it.
But now something has to be done about an absent champ.
Reigns is the obvious favourite, but I would love to see Strowman be given a chance. Having Strowman beat Lesnar clean would really cement his reputation.

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21 Jul 2017 11:15:35
Would UFC take him back after his positive drugs test after his fight with Hunt? Doubt it.
But now something has to be done about an absent champ.
Reigns is the obvious favourite, but I would love to see Strowman be given a chance. Having Strowman beat Lesnar clean would really cement his reputation.

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22 Jul 2017 00:57:44
Lesnar has apparently already filed paperwork to begin testing, to get reinstated. With the supposed plan being for his return fight to be in december.

I'd imagine UFC is looking for Lesnar to potentially be the replacement draw for McGregor, depending on what his post Mayweather fight future is.

It's vague but hopeful. Cena recently stated that he knows his days are numbered.

There's also talk that there is trouble in the Roman Empire, as his merch sales have went way down this year and he's the primary reason given when people explain why they cancelled the network.

So things should at least be more eventful this fall then the expected death march to Reigns vs Lesnar II at WM 34.

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22 Jul 2017 14:15:36
It looks like we'll get a Fatal 4 Way at Summerslam (Lesnar, Regins, Joe and Strowman) And then it seems much more open about how they move forward. Before recent developments it was dead certain that Reigns v Lesner would headline WM34. Now I can see it being Reigns v Cena and either Strowman or Joe to beat Lesnar in a loser leaves WWE match. I'd prefer Strowman to 'retire' Lesnar. I'd have Joe face KO in a cross promotional match. That gives you potential WM main events of:
Reigns v Cena (Universal Title)
AJ Styles v Nakamura (WWE Title)
Strowman v Lesnar (loser leaves)


Joe v Owens would be a great upper mid card match.

I'd have KO win the US Title back before AN. Have Joe win the IC Title then have a cross promotional Champ v Champ match.

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22 Jul 2017 19:23:01
I still think they'll do a 2nd shake-up after SummerSlam. It's an easy way to move some people around and get a ratings boost before Monday Night Football starts.

I could now see Reigns getting moved to Smackdown. To feud w/ Jinder, in september, when they go to India (where Roman's primary fanbase is as well), beat him for the title at the october ppv (In hopes of being cheered as a "Great American Hero"), and then face Cena at Mania. With his Face/ Heel/ Tweener role being determined by his merch numbers. A retirement match, for Goldberg, being another option if Cena feels the need to have another mixed tag against the Kanellis', a celeb couple, or whoever else.

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22 Jul 2017 20:18:43
I really hope they go with jables.

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20 Jul 2017 00:56:05
Word is starting to go around that Lesnar has informed WWE that he won't be re-signing after WM 34, and that he is already trying to get in position to have a UFC fight by the end of the year.

If true the expectation would be that he'd lose the title match at SS and possibly be written off after a failed attempt to reclaim the title at the september ppv.

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19 Jul 2017 16:03:36
Now that a bit of time has past and we have had a chance to see it in action how do people feel about Mahal as a champion. I'm OK with it but they need to get Orton out of the picture. He looks like he has been phoning it in for years.

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20 Jul 2017 00:26:03
Smackdown over the last few months has been headlined by a boring feud with an unrespectable, uninteresting, 1 note, entertainment vacuum as champion and a long stale challenger, on a show that has remained 'Total Divas' on the women side and turned into 'WCW Saturday Night' on the men's side. Literally the only reason I watch at all right now is for Breezango's Fashion Files.

They were still stupid to throw the WWE title on Jinder. It should of been the U. S. title, and he should of been kept in tertiary storylines. Where he would be able to gain credibility and grow his character. Instead they basically said "hey, I know you like playing 7 minutes in Heaven with Ambrose/ Styles and friends, but we want to do something different. So we're going to shove a giant spiked dildo, we found in a sewer, up your arse.

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21 Jul 2017 11:10:54
I don't mind Jinder being champion, but you are right. This Orton feud has no zip to it at all.
Jables says Jinder should have been given the US title instead of the big one, but genuine surprises are so few and far apart in the WWE these days and Jinder's was good to see.
I do suspect that Cena's flag match is just a precursor to another USA! USA! match against Jinder at Summerslam and I am sure that after that normal service will have been resumed.
Styles or Nakamura will be champ by the end of the year.

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21 Jul 2017 11:10:54
I don't mind Jinder being champion, but you are right. This Orton feud has no zip to it at all.
Jables says Jinder should have been given the US title instead of the big one, but genuine surprises are so few and far apart in the WWE these days and Jinder's was good to see.
I do suspect that Cena's flag match is just a precursor to another USA! USA! match against Jinder at Summerslam and I am sure that after that normal service will have been resumed.
Styles or Nakamura will be champ by the end of the year.

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21 Jul 2017 11:10:54
I don't mind Jinder being champion, but you are right. This Orton feud has no zip to it at all.
Jables says Jinder should have been given the US title instead of the big one, but genuine surprises are so few and far apart in the WWE these days and Jinder's was good to see.
I do suspect that Cena's flag match is just a precursor to another USA! USA! match against Jinder at Summerslam and I am sure that after that normal service will have been resumed.
Styles or Nakamura will be champ by the end of the year.

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22 Jul 2017 14:21:23
It was something new for a while and Jinder has been pretty good. But he's not top heel material IMO. He'd be fine as US champ but not as the top heel. AJ should beat Jinder for the title. Then have Corbin cash in on AJ. Give Corbin a short reign before AJ wins it back. Have Nakamura win the RR to step up AJ v Nakamura at WM. Then give Jinder a good run as heel US Champ.

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18 Jul 2017 09:24:30
I wonder if we will see a major singles push now for Jason Jordan?

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18 Jul 2017 09:47:17
I can't help but wonder if its going to end in Angle vs Jordan.

That's a match we'd all like to see.

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18 Jul 2017 12:43:27
Maybe its all a lie and Jordan is just the grown up version on Mark Henry's hand baby.

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18 Jul 2017 20:37:01
I must admit to being totally underwhelmed.
I suspect that this will run for a while, HHH will drive a rift between them by promising Jordan an Intercontinental match and we will have an Angle/ HHH match up.

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19 Jul 2017 05:53:23
I have to say I think gable would have been a better choice.
Only because he is a former Olympian So would have followed in his father's footsteps to a t.

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19 Jul 2017 11:11:13
I think Gable and Jordan will both get over on their matches.

This is certainly a lift for Jason Jordan though, they can fire him in to the top end of the midcard straight away if they choose.

The sort of guy that can have great matches with anyone, beat the Miztourage, then lose to t Miz to make everyone seem like a bigger deal.

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19 Jul 2017 23:28:39
I'm just happy it didn't have anything to do with Dixie or Steph. The segment itself was meh, but at least it's a plausible storyline in a correct time frame. As Jordan was conceived and born while Angle would of been in college.

The one rumor of Gable being Steph's and Angle's love child would of meant that a 16 year old Angle would of gotten with Steph just before she turned 9.

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18 Jul 2017 09:11:58
Had a dream last night that Seth Rollins and Dean Ambrose were in a tag match together in there shield gear, deja vu ahead at Summerslam?

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13 Jul 2017 22:35:38
Alistair black on nxt seems to be getting better everytime I see him got me thinking in nxt they seem to hit harder and more convincing than in the main roster has anyone else noticed this.

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14 Jul 2017 19:04:06
The difference is mostly in the people running the products. Vince wants his cartoony, 80's Hogan, paint by numbers style. While HHH allows more freedom to work the modern styles.

It's been rumored that they plan to move Black up to a main roster sooner than later, but they need to move up the older talent (Roode, EY, Ohno, and Itami) first, and focus NXT on the talent closer to 30 than 40. They have McIntyre, Strong, Black, Dain, Gargano, Ciampa, Almas, Lorcan, and the now officially signed Kyle O'Reilly and Lio Rush. With Adam Cole (possibly any day now), Ricochet, Keith Lee, Matt Riddle, and others likely headed there within the next year or so.

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14 Jul 2017 22:42:22
Do you think all the names you mentioned will go the nxt or will go to the main brand first.

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15 Jul 2017 16:57:48
Ricochet and Rush would be the most likely to skip NXT as they could be put with the CWs, but they aren't making much of an attempt to try to build the division up. Plus HHH would likely want Ricochet as a central figure in NXT for awhile and Rush is really young/ inexperienced.

Unless someone like Donovan Dijak got ripped and Vince fell in love with his look, anyone that gets signed, not named Omega or Okada, is probably spending some time in NXT. Save for various returning talent with main roster experience.

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12 Jul 2017 06:34:42
Are the broken hardyz on their way?
How wonderful.

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13 Jul 2017 09:20:01
I thought it was budget that they teased it like this.

I was expecting Matt to get a chair shot or something to awaken the celestial beings.

Now its like they've confirmed its just a put on, the reason the gimmick worked so well was he was tweeting and talking the gimmick outside of wrestling.

Frankly I'm not interested in half a broken Matt, it needs to be the full package, Maxel, Vangaurd 1, the lot.

WWE run a big risk of finally having something TNA can say they did better.

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13 Jul 2017 09:46:39
Jeff Jarrett said yesterday in the GFW conference call that the Hardyz do not yet own the gimmick.

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10 Jul 2017 18:37:16
Terrible name for a ppv but was actually one of the best I've seen in a long time.

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10 Jul 2017 20:34:25
I enjoyed it and it has set up a few future storylines.
Cesaro and Sheamus looked top quality and the way Matt was busted up is an obvious lead into the return of Broken Matt Hardy.
Miz/ Ambrose and Wyatt/ Rollins feuds have both out lasted their welcome and with Reigns losing, albeit strong, I suspect as I have said before that this is leading to a Shield reunion at Summerslam.
Joe looked good in defeat and has cemented his place on RAW's top table.

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11 Jul 2017 10:15:07
I thought Broken Matt was coming back the other month when they had the steel cage match.

H should take a conchiarto, obviously have to be gimmicked these days, and come out of it mad.

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12 Jul 2017 02:02:03
RAW over the last month has been pretty solid, and the ppv was pretty good. Hopefully they keep building off it and it's not just the ole 'try in july' to build to SummerSlam, and then 'blander than clay after Labor Day'.

Anyone else see the screen shots of 'Big ass' Cass and 'eat Balls' Sasha, from GBoF.

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12 Jul 2017 18:30:15
Yeah I really enjoyed GBOF. Tag Match was awesome, Enzo v Cass was decent, I loved Reigns v Showman especially the end. Leaner v Joe was very good. I would have preferred it to be a tiny bit longer but I enjoyed it.

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10 Jul 2017 06:33:21
Maybe it's just me and maybe I'm nitpicking but the Cass and Enzo match could've been done better. I feel like this should be a 3 match feud ending at Summerslam. So tonight for instance I would've had cass crush Enzo like he did however make it out to be Cass was too good to even try to pin Enzo he just wanted to hurt him so after a bit of crushing him the ref calls the match. Cass looks like a douche and Enzo already with his great mic skills shows he's not willing to quit. Few weeks later they have another match where Enzo wins by rollup, could be considered a fluke win. Finish it off by having possibly a last man standing match since Enzo just kept getting up in this scenario at GBOF, Enzo of course loses in a somewhat close match. End of feud Cass looks like an unstoppable monster, Enzo becomes one of the top babyfaces that doesn't give up kinda like a poor mans Cena. You can instantly put Enzo in the IC conversation or make him a manager or even tag team if you wish. Just imagining a feud with Miz and both their mic skills would be great.

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10 Jul 2017 11:14:20
I see Cas kicking the crap out of Enzo, and Cas trying to move on to a title opportunity, but Enzo's run ins and threat continue to cost him.

Something like a last man standing match is ideal for Enzo to eventually get a win, because there is scope for something out of the ordinary, and he still doesn't get to pin Cas properly.

I'd have Cas beat him 5 or 6 times building to a no DQ/ last man standing scenario, built as the death of Enzo, then have him taser Cas for the shock win.

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10 Jul 2017 20:24:59
Aries has left so I wouldn't be too surprised to see Enzo in the Cruiser mix up.
Cas is destined for bigger things than an Enzo feud.

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12 Jul 2017 18:35:06
Cass will have a good run mist likely. i'd send Enzo down to the cruiserweight division. He's really over right now. Have him be the one to finally topple Neville. He could use his brains so Neville still looks unbeatable. Enzo will be even more over and the cruiserweights should be able to carry him to decent matches. Everyone's a winner!

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13 Jul 2017 09:23:20
Enzo is so over sending him down to 205 simply seems unfair.

I know he's short, but surly when you're over on Raw the last thing you want is to be sent down to the show nobody is watching.

I haven't ever seen an episode, there are two cruiserweight matches on Raw every week, and that seems like plenty.

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09 Jul 2017 10:55:37
How would people feel if superstars starting having more time off?

For instance Seth Rollins has nothing to do at the minute so rather than just chucking him in random feuds have him off tv for a bit and then build up his return when he can be inserted in either title picture. There is so much tv now that I feel the wrestlers are struggling to become stars.

Take Ambrose for instance he has been in the IC title picture for months and now people are bored of him.

Just sticking guys in random matches is not the way forward, it does more harm than good.

We all hate the part timers but look how big they all are and it's because the fans have the opportunity to miss them, seeing Rollins or Ambrose (just examples there are many more) is not a must see. I really think taking people of tv for a bit and giving them vignettes for their return could give some a boost. Just my opinion of course but I'll be interested to hear others.

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09 Jul 2017 19:44:52
In theory I like the idea. Pointless feuds and tag team ups are a waste of the wrestler's time and add nothing for the proper fans. In addition an occasional break would keep the wrestler fitter and give a chance for the niggling injuries they all carry to heal. It would also help keep the shows fresh as someone who hasn't appeared for a few weeks makes a surprise entrance.
In practice I am not sure the WWE would allow it. RAW has to fill hours and needs most of the roster to do so. If, as some rumours say, the show will be back to 2 hours in 2019, then maybe it could work.
Wrestle-by-number fans expect to see a wrestler's finishing move at each show and the WWE are only too pleased to give it to them.
I personally would like to see your idea but I doubt we will be given the opportunity.

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10 Jul 2017 11:19:12
The guys and girls need to be out there to earn their money, but they don't need to be on TV.

Its not really time off, but there is no reason why you couldn't have put the fairly nothing Rollins Wyatt feud on as a dark main event and built up some anticipation for their return.

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08 Jul 2017 11:25:57
I see Styles won the US title at a live event at The Garden last night.
Makes a change for a title to swap hands at a non PPV.
I reckon KO may even call for a rematch at Smackdown, but I suspect he will end up in a number 1 contender match against Zayn.
3 way for the US at Battleground in my opinion.

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09 Jul 2017 23:41:06
Zayn and Mike Bennett-Kanellis seem to be starting a feud, but maybe it'll be a Ambrose vs Samson situation where Sami loses a couple of times on SD after interference from KO. Then MBK starts feuding with someone like Dillinger or Harper, as Zayn focuses on KO and the U. S. title.

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10 Jul 2017 11:20:28
Very cool to have a title change at the Garden off of TV.

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08 Jul 2017 00:09:57
Austin Aries has asked for and been granted his release from the company.

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08 Jul 2017 11:07:29
Things haven't turned out as well as they could have for him. From the broken eye socket he suffered on NXT to his feud with Neville not taking off like most thought it would.
Shame really, but good luck to him.

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09 Jul 2017 23:23:19
It's now being said that WWE released him, and that he supposedly had a bad attitude especially after his and Neville's Mania match was on the pre-show and left off the DVD.

If true I'm still on Aries side. Most of the booking this year has been rotten skunk arse. So for a late 30's guy who was in the bin during the Hogan/ Bischoff TNA dumpster fire, It's easy to understand him not being happy.

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10 Jul 2017 11:22:13
I thought he would be a bigger deal, but truth be told he looks pretty small time when working with anyone worth working with.

He is just too indy.

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05 Jul 2017 16:26:17
What a kick that was by braun on crews Holy rubbish that could have went wrong easily.

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10 Jul 2017 11:22:50
Never seen it before, pretty cool.

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03 Jul 2017 18:03:31
So what do we make of Reigns calling out the Deadman at a house show? Easy way to get heat or a tease for one last match at Survivor Series where it all began?

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04 Jul 2017 00:57:54
If it's just to get heat, it's stupid and lazy. If it's actually intended to setup another match between the two, it will just be viewed as a pathetic attempt to "re-do" their Mania match and will only alienate fans even more.

If they want to still use Taker, it should be in a non-wrestling role. Have him bring forth a new "knight of darkness" to defend the WWE universe against the company's self destructive desires. Have that person be the one that wrestles Reigns. With Taker being their "Yoda".

If Undertaker justifiably doesn't want to go out with the Mania match, and has one final match. He needs to be put in a match, with an opponent, that is suited to help him go out with some dignity. Reigns isn't that person.

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04 Jul 2017 10:57:16
For me, his Mania exit was so good, I think fans would crap on a return, especially this soon.

Perhaps there is room for a nostalgia run somewhere down the road, but his time as a elite main eventer is over.

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04 Jul 2017 20:29:19
Little point in it at all while he is still in the middle of a Strowman feud.
The fans would not stand for arguably the greatest legacy in wrestling to be devalued just to push Reigns.
McMahon still owes Taker big time for his loyalty during the Monday Night Wars and Taker should be allowed to leave on his own terms. Much as I love him, I don't want to see him wrestling in a ring again.

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05 Jul 2017 10:01:24
Knowing that he can't really go like he could, the only run that makes sense is The Brothers of Destruction.

Especially if He was Big Red Taker, as I'm still pretty moved by the leaving the hat in the ring.

hats the point though, he must have enough money it won't win him any more fans, its just hanging on.

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06 Jul 2017 13:41:01
An idea i think could work is Taker returns but not as a wrestler but a manager to Bray Wyatt, Wyatt embraces Takers darkness and this turns Wyatt into a unstoppable monster.

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10 Jul 2017 11:24:32
Would it improve either of them though? Talking is Bray's best asset, and the Taker has hung up the gimmick after 25 years, its just forcing it.

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03 Jul 2017 18:03:31
So what do we make of Reigns calling out the Deadman at a house show? Easy way to get heat or a tease for one last match at Survivor Series where it all began?

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27 Jun 2017 11:21:35
Somoa Joe may well lose to leaner at gbof. But wwe doing a damn good job of makin Joe seem legit. Even if he loses a hope wwe continue the push of Joe in this way. It's been a long time since a bad ass like Joe has been giving this aura. There also doing a great job with brain. Both come across as serious as a heart attack.

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27 Jun 2017 17:27:22
Its nice to see a heel not treated like a jackass.

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27 Jun 2017 20:07:36
Whisper it quietly, but GBOF is shaping up promisingly.
Name is still stupid though.

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28 Jun 2017 15:43:27
I'm trying to keep my hopes in check, because every non-NXT ppv this year has been underwhelming at best. Though If they care at all about ratings anymore, they'll do something at GBoF and/ or SS to deviate from the expected death march to Reigns vs Lesnar at Mania. If they stay the course, they're going to hit new record lows potentially quite frequently.

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28 Jun 2017 15:43:27
I'm trying to keep my hopes in check, because every non-NXT ppv this year has been underwhelming at best. Though If they care at all about ratings anymore, they'll do something at GBoF and/ or SS to deviate from the expected death march to Reigns vs Lesnar at Mania. If they stay the course, they're going to hit new record lows potentially quite frequently.

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28 Jun 2017 17:27:21
I am not sure why they keep pairing top stars together on TV or shite PPV's.

They have so many wrestlers under contract why does one of RR or Strowman have to lose while both await what should be great matches with Lesnar.

Keep them winning, attacking each other and cutting promos, DO NOT PUT THEM IN A FILLER MATCH!

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25 Jun 2017 22:17:40
Instead of doing the shake-up, I'd like to see them put in a system they could use for storylines throughout the year and to give talent kayfabe power.

After SS Vince comes out and announces that after Mania, all of the talent are made "TV Free Agents". The COOs of the 3 shows, then have X amount of "Main Event", "2nd Tier", "3rd Tier", and "Tag" contracts to give to whoever they can come to an agreement with. Every contract is for 1 year, except for RAW and SD getting a "Core Four" that will get 2 year deals.

*RAW will have the CW and Women's singles division, SD will have the Women's tag, and NXT will have the UK +future "regional" divisions.

*Throughout the year people can be put in matches and situations to get moved from one division to another, and from jan. 1 through the week after the last ppv before WM, there can be a "re-signing" period to limit the amount of talent that make it to free agency.

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26 Jun 2017 20:57:16
I don't really like that idea. The whole point was to make RAW and Smackdown 2 separate brands, and they are different. I can't imagine RAW giving someone like Jinder a championship reign. RAW generally has bigger, more physical wrestlers while Smackdown has a more athletic line up.
Smackdown takes chances, while the flagship show is more conservative. Mind you, if Joe is allowed to win at GBOF, it will show they have taken a page out of the Smackdown book.
Maybe Corbin should be allowed to chose which championship he wants to cash in on.
There is also the possibility of a non-aligned faction appearing unannounced on either show, a faction a bit like the Nexus should have been.

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26 Jun 2017 23:29:48
People like us could follow that, but the casual fan (that they pander to) is probably happier with the rule less free for all.

Lets be fair its pro wrestling, if they want to switch someone's brand or promote an NXT guy they'll just do it, probably in a 3 minute segment for little shock, and everyone will know because it will have been reported online a month in advance.

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28 Jun 2017 16:10:44
It wouldn't be done to completely change the rosters of the shows. It'd be to replace the inevitable yearly seemingly random movement of talent they already do. With an intent to give talent kayfabe power that the MNW talent actually had. In hopes of creating situations where talent would be able to wild out and not be beholden to the real life Monopoly of WWE. As they could make their show's authority figures fearful of them going to the other show.

For the non-upper card ME talent. Instead of person X being moved from one brand to the other, because reasons, they would at least have to come up with something simple. 'They felt there was more opportunity' 'they weren't being treated right' 'their friend is on that show' 'that show was willing to give me a better contract' etc.

Plus I get the feeling there's going to be another Shake-up after SummerSlam and if it happens this year, it's probably going to keep happening in future years.

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28 Jun 2017 17:31:57
They have actually used that threat on recent shows.

I am sure Big Show threatened to walk out on Angle last Monday during the Cas/ Enzo split.

They should make more contract demands, and threats, particularly in NXT, positioning themselves as the "selling club" would be solid.

The suggestion would always be that Raw is bigger than Smackdown, but its better to be a top guy on SD than midcard on Raw.

Perhaps even offer the lowly Main Event its own exclusive stars.

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19 Jun 2017 21:07:56
Well. MITB was at best average and at worst piss poor until the last ladder match and that wasn't bad at all.
Styles. Nakamura and Owens didn't have to win while both Corbin and Zayn did. Ziggler will continue to have matches in the US Title picture.
So Zayn or Corbin. I don't like Zayn, his entrance, his 'underdog' tag and the way he oversells his 'injuries', but he can wrestle. He always stalls in the big matches and he needed this.
Corbin needed it in another way. He has beaten everyone or beaten them up and he needed this to boost his hard, lone wolf image.
I am glad he won. When Cena comes back and beats Jinder, I would love Corbin to cash on and cement his heel role.

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20 Jun 2017 00:51:06
Vince last year, on his birthday, was asked something to the effect of "do you feel like your 71." His response was something like "mentally I feel like I'm just hitting puberty. " Last nights show definitively felt like it was written by an 11-12 year old. I give credit to the wrestlers though. They mostly did a really good job. The booking was just horrible.

I hope they keep Corbin away from Cena. That has disaster written all over it.

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26 Jun 2017 09:55:58
It'll be sad if JC takes the title from Jahinder, unless they make Mahal by giving him a run until next years Mania, so he doesn't seem like a place holder.

Either that or he gets in to some great matches with the guys that were in MITB.

Corbyn was the natural choice as face MITB winners are traditionally crap. Zigler and Owens haven't been positioned to go after the top title at the mo. It had to be Corbyn for me.

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18 Jun 2017 15:57:40
Anyone looming forward to money in the bank tonight . personally I'm looking forward to rusev most hope they bring him back the monster rusev that came up from nxt.

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18 Jun 2017 20:03:39
The men's MitB should be good. New Day vs Usos should be solid. I just want Orton vs Mahal to end and I really don't care how at this point, I want it over with tonight. The women's MitB and title match both have good shots at being the worst thing of the year, Non-Reigns/ McMahon related.

Breezango, AA, Harper, Rowan, Dillinger, English, Ascension, and Sin Cara all without a match is pathetic to me. Everyone doesn't need to be on each ppv, but with a ppv like MitB that has never had a set number of competitors for the MitB match + the show's tag line of being "The Land of Opportunity", alone makes that many being left off look dumb. Then you have a pre-show match that has absolutely no storyline and was just thrown together last minute and it could easily of just been a 8,10, or 12 man showcase tag match or something. Hell have a pre-show mini battle royal with the winner getting a spot in the MitB match.

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16 Jun 2017 01:29:59
If nobody saw omega vs okada 2 give it a watch brilliant match.

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18 Jun 2017 10:45:21
It's a great match. Even better than the first one.

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14 Jun 2017 11:38:59
i don't get what wwe are doing with bray wyatt, one minute it looks like a feud with balor is on the cards which I was looking forward to and now it looks like a feud with rollins is happening which doesn't really excite me

i reckon they will have balor vs reigns at summerslam because I am sure on balor's facebook page after reigns beat him a little while ago he said something like this is far from over.

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14 Jun 2017 21:19:48
After not knowing for a while when Lesnar would defend the title next, they ended up having to change the original ME of ER from Strowman vs Reigns to the 5way. Which they then appeared to change the winner of that from Balor to Joe. So that's part of the reason things are disjointed. Vince being Vince is always a big part. With various people potentially being available for SS and Lesnar's willingness to do anything likely playing roles as well.

There are a bunch of rumors for a lot of people right now, so I don't think they even now who's doing what at SS.
*Reigns vs Goldberg is being rumored for SS now.
*Joe/ Lesnar may continue through SS.
*HHH/ Steph are rumored to be behind the Angle/ Graves stuff.
*Cena is rumored to be floating between shows as a "free agent" and/ or beating Jinder for #17.
*Hardyz are rumored to be splitting.
*Ambrose was rumored for a heel turn, with them continuously teasing some type of turn.
-Strowman was just cleared to return as well.

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15 Jun 2017 11:25:18
I think Bray's Raw move has hurt him, there is a lot of top end talent there, and people like Joe, Rollins, Balor, Lesnar, Braun, Reigns are all booked to not care about his hokum.

He is just a heel to get beat in that bunch.

I try not to worry about rumours of what may happen, as it stops you being surprised when it does.

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15 Jun 2017 19:33:14
There has been talk that he may turn face very soon.
I'm not too sure how that would work. Can the be a nice Eater of Worlds?

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13 Jun 2017 20:21:26
A lot of the great finishing moves are no longer with us. Stone Cold, The Rock, Taker, HHH etc all had signature finishes, but what are the best of the current crop?
Styles has a couple, there is the Coup de Grace, Helluva Kick, Sister Abigail a variety of powerbombs, some choke outs etc. Rollins is keeping the pedigree going and of course Orton still has the RKO.
I must admit that I do enjoy Corbin's End of Days and I loved Neville's Red Arrow,
Thoughts?

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14 Jun 2017 10:24:24
I hate AJ's elbow as a finish, just saying.

The RKO is probably the most over finish, because it comes out of nowhere.

Too many are obviously coming, Kinshasa, Helluva Kick, Pop Up Powerbomb, all very obvious.

Its hard to get submission finishers over, because people don't seem to want to tap out very often.

Bray's is a great move with a crap name.

The Curb Stomp was great, I think I like the short arm knee to the face.

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14 Jun 2017 17:12:22
the code breaker is a great finisher.

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15 Jun 2017 00:10:36
For me what makes a great finisher is something that can be used on anyone (or the majority), it looks fairly legit, it's something that fits the person/ style, and it has it's own spin to it. Then the rest is on management to build that person/ move up.

There aren't any "great" finishers today because the only person they treat like they're great is Reigns, and his spear finisher has been done better by numerous people.

I totally agree with Bessex that a lot of them are too obviously setup. It's likely to get the "It's wrestling psychology" line, but they all tend to defy combat logic by being noisy and/ or doing something that gives the opponent too much time to react.

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15 Jun 2017 00:10:36
For me what makes a great finisher is something that can be used on anyone (or the majority), it looks fairly legit, it's something that fits the person/ style, and it has it's own spin to it. Then the rest is on management to build that person/ move up.

There aren't any "great" finishers today because the only person they treat like they're great is Reigns, and his spear finisher has been done better by numerous people.

I totally agree with Bessex that a lot of them are too obviously setup. It's likely to get the "It's wrestling psychology" line, but they all tend to defy combat logic by being noisy and/ or doing something that gives the opponent too much time to react.

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15 Jun 2017 11:29:06
They've also watered down finishers by only ever having clean finishes using the finishers.

If Roman Reigns never wins off a drive by, samoan drop, or superman punch it makes you wonder why he does them? Why wouldn't he be trying to hit the spear non stop?

You want more exciting matches create a few different scenarios for endings.

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15 Jun 2017 19:41:26
The crowds expect to see a particular wrestler use a certain move, not just finishing ones. Orton dropping an opponent of the ropes and Ambrose's rebound clothesline never finish a match but they are expected to be seen.
A prime example is when we get a six man tag team before a PPV when at the end each member gets to use their own finishing move until only one stands tall.
This isn't a new thing, but it seems that it occurs more now. It is almost wrestling by numbers.

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11 Jun 2017 05:39:32
I saw an either or, of 'Shield reunion' or 'Punk/ AJ return' and it got me thinking of others.

*RAW/ SD are PG and are both 2 hours or RAW/ SD are TV 14 and both 3 hours?
*HHH runs RAW, Vince runs SD or Steph runs RAW, Shane runs SD?
*NXT goes 2 hours or 205 Live is run by Heyman?
*At SS, KO vs Harper vs Corbin, U. S. title match or Bray vs Matt vs Jeff, IC title match?
*Joe/ Miz switch shows with Styles/ Sami or Reigns/ Lesnar switch with Jinder/ Cena?
-Retires Lesnar: Cesaro or Nakamura?
-Joins HHH's "Authority-rEvolution" and turns heel: Ambrose or Reigns?
-Gets the top babyface push: Rollins or Balor?
-Beats Roode for the NXT title: McIntyre or Black?
-Main events WM: Becky vs Charlotte or Sasha vs Bayley?

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11 Jun 2017 08:12:20
1. tv14 and 3 hours
2. steph and shane
3. nxt 2 hours
4. ko, harper, corbin (what a match! )
5. reigns/ lesnar for jinder/ cena (can't lose aj)
6. nakamura (but honestly, neither)
7. reigns
8. rollins (but preferably neither)
9. mcintyre
10. becky vs charlotte.

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12 Jun 2017 14:09:22
Punk return > Shield

• TV14 all day
• HHH and Vince
• 205 with Heyman (only because NXT is perfect and 205 does need change)
• KO vs Corbyn vs Harper (Corbyn to finish second and celebrate)
• Reigns and Lesnar
• Nakamura (though both are mental)
• Reigns
• Rollins
• McIntyre
• Sasha and Bayley (sad to leave Charlotte out)

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10 Jun 2017 16:44:24
Bit dry on here lately so thought I'd ask a question.

Favourite Hell in a cell match ever?

I personally loved HHH vs Foley and also the Armageddon 6 way one.

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10 Jun 2017 20:52:52
Me, I really loved the 2005 Batista/ HHH. It was brutal and HHH put Batista over clean. Great match.

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11 Jun 2017 02:01:18
I'd have to go Taker vs HHH, w/ HBK as special ref. at WM 28. I think it's one of the best matches ever, in terms of story telling.

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12 Jun 2017 14:01:52
The original HBK vs Taker Badd Blood was great, I assume everyone is deliberately ducking mentioning Survivors Series 97, Brock vs Taker with Paul E was brilliant.

I don't think Jables pick from WM28 can be topped really.

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13 Jun 2017 12:58:21
Badd Blood and Trips Vs Foley would be my go to Hell in a cell matches.

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03 Jun 2017 11:03:02
What can be done to rescues RAW?
Obviously the programme is too long and the RAW world champ Lesnar is one of the part timers Jericho recently had a pop at.
I would get the Shield back together. Vince is betting everything on his favourite Reigns while HHH is doing the same with Rollins. Neither is really doing it and neither is capturing the minds of the public. Ambrose really needs a boost as well.
I would let Wyatt, Balor or Joe win the 5 way and Miz win the IC.
Let Reigns, Rollins and Ambrose go on runs where they keep getting screwed and they have to eventually reunite to fight back.
Have a Wyatt faction and an authority faction for them to feud with.
A revamped Shield would at the very least improve the viewing figures and at best breath new life into a stale show.

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04 Jun 2017 03:24:45
I think the first thing they need to do is get rid of the looming feeling that nothing matters but Reigns vs Lesnar at Mania, and get the match out of the way asap. Letting it be known that they'll have different opponents at WM. I feel they also need to put Reigns in a position that reflects how the fans view him. Which is the corporate "golden boy".

Ambrose needs a heel run before going back to the top as a lovable anarchistic sociopath tweener.
Rollins needs them to get people to feel his struggle and root for his climb.
Balor needs time in the IC division and exploration of the duality of his character.
Joe needs his skill hyped more.
Strowman needs to beat Lesnar.
Miz needs to look more serious and win more on cunning.
Bray could use a face turn and winning feuds.
Cesaro needs a Benoit push.
Sheamus and the Hardyz should aid in making the above happen.
Tag division needs gutted and rebuilt around the Revival.
Low-carders need to be handled/ used much better.

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04 Jun 2017 12:32:08
In a recent interview with sean waltman.
He said road dogg is in charge of smackdown.
Vince doesn't even look at it he focuses on raw
Which might explain why nxt and smackdown are so much better than raw.

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04 Jun 2017 18:05:04
Vince has been the correct answer for the main reason why RAW is ever bad, all the way from the beginning. Vince's entire writing/ storytelling ability is basically 'Adventures of Superman' vs Marvel villain rejects and lazily stereotyped "evil" foreigners.

There are never ending stories about the struggle it took people to get almost anything/ everything that ever worked to happen. From Stone Cold even getting signed and them wanting to call him Chilly McFreeze, to the Rock being kept from doing Reigns like "Sufferin Succotash" promos at the height of the Monday Night Wars, to Vince only hiring Gail Kim after he was shown the popularity of asian porn.

Basically whenever a show wasn't being lorded over by Vince, it was significantly better. The AE, SD 2003, FCW, NXT, SD 2016, CWC, UK.

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04 Jun 2017 18:05:04
Vince has been the correct answer for the main reason why RAW is ever bad, all the way from the beginning. Vince's entire writing/ storytelling ability is basically 'Adventures of Superman' vs Marvel villain rejects and lazily stereotyped "evil" foreigners.

There are never ending stories about the struggle it took people to get almost anything/ everything that ever worked to happen. From Stone Cold even getting signed and them wanting to call him Chilly McFreeze, to the Rock being kept from doing Reigns like "Sufferin Succotash" promos at the height of the Monday Night Wars, to Vince only hiring Gail Kim after he was shown the popularity of asian porn.

Basically whenever a show wasn't being lorded over by Vince, it was significantly better. The AE, SD 2003, FCW, NXT, SD 2016, CWC, UK.

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05 Jun 2017 10:09:26
I think they half ass the characters, I think The New Day proved that the midcard could matter.

Raw has been the same for years, it opens with a long promo, that basically sets up the main event, the last 30 minutes is that event, they'll have an interview in the middle to hype that event, and very little that happens on the show outside of that matters.

EVERYTHING SHOULD MATTER.

If Titus O'Neil beats R-Truth I want the story to tell you why they are fighting, and what happens next for both guys. They can't just fight have one win and it never gets mentioned again.

That's what local talent are for.

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01 Jun 2017 11:07:17
Oh dear god no, the phenomenal AJ Styles jobbing to zigzag.

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01 Jun 2017 14:38:05
As much as I agree that Styles should be beating Ziggler, I think it is better that these surprises do come along every now and again so that it doesn't become too boring and predictable.

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01 Jun 2017 17:30:27
If they were logically consistent. It would be a hard thing to complain about, because it would be a realistic representation of sports. Some times a struggling or bad team/ fighter wins when people don't expect it. WWE isn't logic or consistent though. So when they do stuff like that, it just looks like they're trying to cool the person off.

In regards to this particular incident, I will admittedly laugh my arse off if Ziggler repeats what Ambrose did, last year, at MitB.

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01 Jun 2017 20:07:46
I have no problem with this at all.
Ziggler is part of the PPV and it makes sense to give each entrant some success in the build up and a surprise is always welcome.
Ussally the build up is so predictable. Just look at RAW.

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02 Jun 2017 10:29:40
Firstly, That's not jobbing.

Secondly, Ziggler hasn't been flavour of the month for a long time but he is long standing one of the best in ring performers, I am glad to see him get a clean win in a main event.

I am sure this one done to create the idea that Ziggler can win MITB (hey perhaps he can)

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02 Jun 2017 11:55:27
Aj is far and away the best wrestler on the roster having him job to zigzag is akin to letting hardcore holly go over stone cold clean . Wwe obviously doesn't know what it has with aj and my worse fears when I heard he was going there are starting to materialize.

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02 Jun 2017 13:49:55
The bloke that The Drifter beat on Raw was jobbing.

Losing a 20 minute main event against another former world champion to promote how open a 6 man ladder match happening in a few weeks is, just isn't doing "the job" its those guys doing their job.

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02 Jun 2017 13:53:40
In my opinion smaller guys like Aj, Ziggler, Sami, Bryan, Punk, HBK, and Balor actually benefit from being beatable.

I makes it so much more powerful when they win.

Surly nobody wants to get an undefeated year down the road and be talking about "Super AJ".

Sometimes the benefit for the product is that the other guy benefits more from the win than the bigger star.

When AJ beats him down the road it'll mean something.

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02 Jun 2017 19:50:52
Bessex, just one thing is getting beat clean 1.2.3 not known as doing a job for a fellow wrestler ? And if that is the case and you are said wrestler , doesn't it then mean that you have been jobbing for the aforementioned wrestler? And zigzag ain't no main eventer, if you think he is on par with aj your having a laugh .

Also aj has just came off a defeat on a ppv so it would make more sense in my eyes to start building him up again , rather than lose more ground putting a mid card talent ( at best ) over .

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03 Jun 2017 10:52:04
I'm with Bessex on this. Dolph is not in the jobber category. There is little point in having him in the MIB if he has no chance of winning.

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03 Jun 2017 23:23:14
You agree with bessex but haven't even read or understood the posts? I never said ziggler was a jobber! Read the post's above, I said aj was jobbing to ziggler, who is a mid carder at best . Why post a comment if you can't be bothered reading the thread?

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04 Jun 2017 03:59:40
If Ziggler just goes back to being the pre-show allstar, then I'll be mad. He doesn't need to win MitB, but he should be kept at least as a fringe upper-carder and away from feuds like Kalisto/ Crews and the "best" of 23 with Corbin.

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05 Jun 2017 10:24:47
Precious, In short I'm not 100% on how the IWC uses "Jobber" "Jobbing" and "Doing the job" but traditionally those phases are used to describe somebody who is only wrestling for a quick buck.

Literally doing a job, just to get paid.

Technically nobody in the WWE is a jobber, the closest thing is James Elsworth, but he got himself a contract and a character.

You might argue that someone like Darren Young is a modern day jobber, but even then he's technically "enhancement talent" which is a nice way of saying jobber. Only there to make the guy you're losing to look good.

Doing the job is going out and getting beat up to make the other guy look good, collecting your money, and going home.

When two top stars have a decent match that's promoted and pushing forward with a story, that's not jobbing, eventually one of them will win the feud, which was always known as "Doing the honours" or "doing a favour" if a top guy elevates someone by letting them win.

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05 Jun 2017 10:31:47
My point is the loser of every match isn't jobbing, there is very little jobbing done on WWE TV.

The 3 man band were sort of jobbers, but their role was enhancing the other talent while trying to get over by being funny, they had contracts and everything they did was geared to keeping them on TV.

However Orton didn't do the job for Jahinder, he did the favour.

It might only seem like a little thing, but I think the older guys amongst us see someone being called jobber as an insult (especially if they are not) so this whole thread is kind of in defence of the fact AJ wasn't being mistreated but rather doing what is necessary to promote the Money In The Bank match.

I hope this clears up how I view the difference in language, and why AJ and Dolfs main event was actually decent.

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05 Jun 2017 19:59:45
OK Precious. You never called Ziggler a Jobber. But you have implied that he does not deserve to be in the same ring as Styles which is absolutely ridiculous.
I would be bored beyond all reason to have Styles win time after time against good wrestlers just to please you.
What exactly do you want? This is the build up to MIB. By your reasoning Ziggler needn't bother turning up.
Would you be happy having Styles, Nakamura, Orton and Owens beating everyone else and then just wrestling each other at PPVs? Would you get upset if someone like Corbin beat Styles? Would you give someone like Cass the chance to join the elite?
The current world champion would have been rated further down the card than Ziggler just weeks ago.

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05 Jun 2017 23:07:10
in there books Bret hart talks about doing the job for Shaun and mick Foley talks about being asked to do a job for several wrestlers, you are getting confused with someone being a jobber ( enhancement talent ) and someone doing a job ( putting a fellow wrestler over clean ) , the past tense of which is jobbing.

I have been watching wrestling since my dad's old 2 and a half meter dish picked up tbs and old wcw was on, you have made this thread about semantics' job, jobber and jobbing are just words, fact is it should be about why aj is putting over a mid carder like ziggler, especially coming off a ppv loss, when we should be talking about, aj, ko, bray and Rollins all main eventers', imo, should all be chasing or defending the top belt, instead they have it on a part timer who hasn't been seen in months . Wrestling isn't just dying it's dead .

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06 Jun 2017 12:46:23
Well we can disagree on the language.

I will be the first to admit Ziggler as a character is a bit stale, but he is a former world champ, and one of the best in ring performers going.

I simply don't think he is mid card, and the fact they had him beat AJ clean in the main event of Smackdown suggests neither do the WWE's decision makers.

I'm sure they are trying to rebuild the Smackdown 6 success of the early brand splits, by putting the best workers in top spots and making it less about showmanship, and more about exciting and unpredictable matches.

People want "I didn't see that coming" matches, enjoy it when someone like Dolf gets to pin AJ, Jahider pins Orton, or Samoa Joe gets to win over Rollins, Balor, and Reigns.

I personally didn't think twice about AJ losing, and don't think it has lowered him.

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06 Jun 2017 16:39:54
Jesus precious is the right name isn't it, if someone doesn't have the same opinion as u it makes the site about opinions of many fans calm down precious.

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06 Jun 2017 23:50:28
Absolutely johny boy if we all had the same opinion it would make for a pretty boring site, fact is I was wrongly called out on something and defend my opinion , if you don't like that perhaps your the one that should get over it, you have added nothing here, so why not just not read my post if it's going to get your bottom lip trembling , or is it you don't like someone debating with your hero bessex?

Coys again I never " implied" anything my posts are very clear, I have no problem with aj being in the same ring as ziggler, my thoughts on it are he should not have been putting him over clean, coming off a ppv loss, Jesus the guy was in a feud with bottom feeders like appolo and sin cara just a week before and now he is beating aj clean it's ridiculous.

I would have no problem if it was Corbin, or ko or the Japanese lady boy ( even if I don't rate him ) that would at least made sense in the grand scheme of things . I see a lot of the respected wrestling journalists agree with me also, but on here it seems bessex is god and no one can have a different opinion.

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07 Jun 2017 10:04:20
Hey, I'm just discussing, I certainly haven't insulted you, or meant to in anyway, we just disagree, which is fine.

As for being a God, well, the true messiah would never claim such things, I'll leave it to my followers to decide. ;0)

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07 Jun 2017 15:13:25
And I have no problem with that bessex, I actually respect your opinion and I haven't insulted you personally either . Its your minions who have contributed nothing to this thread other than, I agree with bessex, you bad man no arguments with bessex, ect . That are grinding my balls 😆.

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07 Jun 2017 15:38:34
I sorry if you feel marginalised, I'm actually really enjoying having a proper wrestling debate.

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08 Jun 2017 09:55:59
Does anyone think it helped make anyone look stronger to have AJ beat Dolf in a much shorter match early on the show this week?

I suppose its about making them appear in the league and competitive, but they could have easily gone up against different opponents this week.

I feel like Nakumura is beating Owens too consistantly.

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08 Jun 2017 13:42:55
Wow. Just wow. I agree and disagree with contributors on this site all the time, but I don't try to make any of it personal.
Just because someone disagrees with you, but agrees with someone else does not make them a 'minion'. Grow up.

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09 Jun 2017 10:08:28
I didn't give you permission to contribute, COYS?

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09 Jun 2017 12:18:28
LOL.
Precious. Why don't we call a truce? I extend my arm for a digital handshake.

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09 Jun 2017 14:18:28
Bessex you think ziggler is a main eventer, fair enough , I don't I think his ship has sailed, they could have made him one but terrible booking has made this impossible now imo, just recently they have had him fighting and getting beat from sin cara and Cruz, how can you come back from that to be a main eventer? It's nearly impossible . I had High hopes for the brand split but the wwe is worse now than ever, I miss what it used to be, where are the factions , the surprise , the story telling , the personal rivalries .

The fans have to take responsibility as well no one has any real heat anymore , the fans cheer for any decent heel, the two wrestlers who get the most heat are the miz ( because he is a very good heel who knows how to work the crowd ) and roman ( unintentionally) there are very few baby faces or heels anymore, it's like they all came out of Vinces wrestle maker 2000 machine, it's for the kids now 😞 just like power rangers, I think it may be finished for adults .

Coys yes if you come on and agree with a post, without reading it, or offering an original opinion, just because of the name at the bottom , you are by sheer definition a minion.

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09 Jun 2017 19:21:01
I take it the handshake is refused then?

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10 Jun 2017 12:06:33
Coys, I put that up before i saw your post was up, now you have shamed me by being the bigger man, I extend a digital hand to your sir 😅😅.

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10 Jun 2017 14:35:54
Nice one Precious. let's do it again, but nicer next time.

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12 Jun 2017 13:58:18
(This is the bit where you're supposed to double cross him)

Lolz. Glad we are all getting on again.

I'd say nothing is impossible in pro wrestling, certainly not losing one year then becoming hot the next. It happens all the time, some of the best have had bad periods before rising like a Phoenix.

Imagine if Bradshaw was just always half of a midcard tag team, losing to all sorts, before he became a wrestling Gaaaaawd.

What about DDP, a jobber for years, before becoming the Master of the Diamond Cutter.

I feel a recovery happens when a guy is put in a spot where he starts wining again.

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29 May 2017 11:03:11
One for you Jables mate.
I am sure that a while ago the WWE announced they were going to be touring in India this September, but now it seems they have no plans to go this year.
If this is right, they may well have pushed Jinder too early.
It also looks like they will be having him feud with Nakamura in the summer and I just can't see them allowing Nakamura to lose this feud.
Any truth in these rumours?

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29 May 2017 17:26:56
Whether or not they planned on going to India tomorrow, september, or 5 years down the line. It was a stupid decision to put the title on Jinder the way they did. It's like if FIFA decided to scrap the World Cup tournament after the qualifiers next year and just go with Germany vs the Jacksonville Jaguars for the championship.

If they want to go with Jinder fine. Just put him in a place where he has a chance to succeed. Aimlessly throwing the title on him a month after jobbing to Mojo, and everyone else the last 4 years, isn't it. Without the build, story, and logic, there's no creation of real passion. Just like countless people before him, the heat will quickly dissipate but the hate will last forever. Instead of having a shot to become a legend, he'll just end up being a trivia question.

As for Nakamura. I've heard he's a favorite to win MitB and various things about him being a focal point of SD in general, but everything is still being decided by Vince. Who has been on a roll of bad decisions since RR.

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30 May 2017 12:16:04
I read a report that Jinder is meant to have it until RR and then drop it to Cena. I really hope that is BS.

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30 May 2017 12:37:00
I quite like Jinder as the champ. He hasn't gone from nothing to something as he hasn't won a match clean yet. He is probably the only man both the younger fans and us older fans both did not want to have as the champion which technically makes him the best heel in the company. A lot of the other heels have a strong fan base still where as Jinder gets instant heat from everyone. I think the Indian market is strong enough without WWE needing to tour. Jinder's run also coincided with a brand new T-shirt and the first WWE Megastore to open in India so i'm sure the money is rolling in nicely.

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02 Jun 2017 10:35:00
I'm happy with Jinder as a heel champ, its important to remember its all just a show, so just because someone loses for years doesn't mean they can't just start winning.

We are not talking Peter Crouch suddenly having a 50 goal season in a legit sport, its wrestling, if we were booking football Crouchy could just have a 50 goal season, and Jinder vs Brooklyn Brawler for the title could be the Main Event.

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27 May 2017 11:37:55
Jericho is reported as saying he won't be back for a long time and that he might never wrestle again.
He has said if he never had another match, it wouldn't bother him.
I know he has a history of having long breaks, but if this is the end of a brilliant career, all I can say is thank you Chris.

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27 May 2017 12:18:09
he tends to say that after every run!

There is no way on earth that is his last run, he has much more to offer still!

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28 May 2017 03:21:55
He's scheduled to be a part of the Japan weekend tour. Facing Itami on Friday June 30th, and then be in a Fatal 4way the next day against Balor, Miz, and Ambrose. When he comes back to tv is still a question though.

As for retiring, I think he'll try to keep going at least until the end of 2020, when he'll celebrate 30 years in wrestling that October and his 50th birthday the following month.

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30 May 2017 12:16:36
Lets hope so because he is still awesome.

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02 Jun 2017 10:40:02
I'll be a monkey's uncle if he doesn't come back to take Vengeance on that pesky Kevin Owens.

He is as over as anybody and going out on top like this leaves everybody wanting more.

I'd love to see him get a Career vs Career match with another old timer at WM.

Big Show, Kane, HHH, perhaps even Goldberg or Lesnar.

Guys his age, with his history should go out in a match that means something.

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21 May 2017 21:34:37
Backlash predictions.
Dillinger
Harper
Corbin
Nakamura
Hogettes (Welcoming Committee)
Usos
Styles
Orton.

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22 May 2017 10:44:46
Unbelievable stuff. The dream has arrived.

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22 May 2017 20:43:19
I hope he loses it to Charlotte.

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22 May 2017 23:09:33
Was some good wrestling at backlash actually enjoyed the most of it.

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23 May 2017 11:05:19
Well Randy doesn't gain anything from being champ, I don't think we can deny Jahinder is massively elevated by it. Seems like good business.

They are making his finisher seem dangerous as well, he beat a couple of top guys with the Kallasis now.

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23 May 2017 20:43:11
Couldn't agree more Bessex. Let Orton go heel, which he is far better at than a face.
I am fairly sure that they will keep the title on Jinder for a while, maybe even until September when the WWE has a big tour of India lined up.
Funnily enough, Junder is being pushed as a face in India and he does two sets of out of ring interviews. The face one for India and the heel one for the rest of us.
I said a little while ago the main shows needed a shake up and this is a promising start.

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24 May 2017 10:29:56
It may be the most basic Sheiky Baby rip off going, but those Americans do love to boo Middle Eastern people, even when they're not from the middle east.

Cheap heat over no heat.

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24 May 2017 16:43:29
Charlotte represents a demographic almost 3 times bigger than Jinder (3.7 bil. Women to 1.3 bil. Indians), it would really shake things up, be different, elevate her, and sexism is even more of a cheap heat magnet than racism.

Sami and KO can be her bear and cub, gay bodyguards. Styles can be her hair stylist, Nakamura can be her manicurist. They can then say she married Kofi's non existent brother who stayed in Africa and became a King. So she can be the African Queen.

Then after 6 weeks, we can turn Ho Ho Lun into the Scause-du-jour, when WWE gives him a lazy push to the title because they want to use China to prop up Network subscriber numbers.

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25 May 2017 14:47:51
I actually rate Jinder, I can't get my head around people being disappointed.

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25 May 2017 20:36:40
I'm not disappointed. I think it is part of the shake up the WWE needs.

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26 May 2017 09:46:38
It sort of reminds me of the outrage that came when JBL became World Champ. The whole "He is just a tag team jobber, and he's been a loser for 10 years, now we are supposed to buy him as invincible" argument feels identical.

Justin Hawk Bradshaw tweaked his gimmick and JBL became a wraaaastling Gaaaaawd.

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20 May 2017 12:44:26
Is it just me or does anyone else feel that the WWE is just trading water at the moment, even more than in the past?
We have a champion with Lesnar who we never see, a champion with Orton who is looking stale and has no competition, the likes of Ambrose and Rollins stalling and having no obvious future storylines, Cena and Jericho gone for the foreseeable future and PPVs that are just glorified versions of the main shows.
Both the red and blue brands need a shake up or the current drop in ratings will continue.

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21 May 2017 21:28:42
My Shake-up.
*RAW is run by HHH.
*SD is run by Heyman.
*NXT expanded to 2 hours and is run by Gabe Sapolsky.
*Main Event and 205 live get replaced by a WCW Saturday Night like show, run by Arn Anderson.
*Vince takes Reigns, Jinder, Show, and Henry, to start the AIME (Africa, India, Middle East) division.
*Shane takes Cena to start the Chinese division.

-RAW's 1st hour is for the Women's division, hype for the "main show", and announcements/ presentations for things like Make-a-Wish and Susan G Komen. Hours 2 and 3 return to a Warzone and RAW is War like format.
-RAW gets the tag team division, with the Women's, and SD gets the CWs.
-NXT takes on a role more like the early days of WWECW.
-"WWE Saturday Night" is made a one stop shop for showcasing mid to low card talent throughout the company.
-The AIME and Chinese subdivisions have their own shows, tour year round in their regions, and are separate from the main product (s) .

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22 May 2017 10:43:51
I would really love to see a fully adult wrestling program on the network.

Just an hour a week, strong style matches, risky content, strong language, basically and episode of Raw from 1998, put a parental lock on the network, for 16 and over.

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