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25 Jun 2017 22:17:40
Instead of doing the shake-up, I'd like to see them put in a system they could use for storylines throughout the year and to give talent kayfabe power.

After SS Vince comes out and announces that after Mania, all of the talent are made "TV Free Agents". The COOs of the 3 shows, then have X amount of "Main Event", "2nd Tier", "3rd Tier", and "Tag" contracts to give to whoever they can come to an agreement with. Every contract is for 1 year, except for RAW and SD getting a "Core Four" that will get 2 year deals.

*RAW will have the CW and Women's singles division, SD will have the Women's tag, and NXT will have the UK +future "regional" divisions.

*Throughout the year people can be put in matches and situations to get moved from one division to another, and from jan. 1 through the week after the last ppv before WM, there can be a "re-signing" period to limit the amount of talent that make it to free agency.

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19 Jun 2017 21:07:56
Well. MITB was at best average and at worst piss poor until the last ladder match and that wasn't bad at all.
Styles. Nakamura and Owens didn't have to win while both Corbin and Zayn did. Ziggler will continue to have matches in the US Title picture.
So Zayn or Corbin. I don't like Zayn, his entrance, his 'underdog' tag and the way he oversells his 'injuries', but he can wrestle. He always stalls in the big matches and he needed this.
Corbin needed it in another way. He has beaten everyone or beaten them up and he needed this to boost his hard, lone wolf image.
I am glad he won. When Cena comes back and beats Jinder, I would love Corbin to cash on and cement his heel role.

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20 Jun 2017 00:51:06
Vince last year, on his birthday, was asked something to the effect of "do you feel like your 71." His response was something like "mentally I feel like I'm just hitting puberty. " Last nights show definitively felt like it was written by an 11-12 year old. I give credit to the wrestlers though. They mostly did a really good job. The booking was just horrible.

I hope they keep Corbin away from Cena. That has disaster written all over it.

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18 Jun 2017 15:57:40
Anyone looming forward to money in the bank tonight . personally I'm looking forward to rusev most hope they bring him back the monster rusev that came up from nxt.

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18 Jun 2017 20:03:39
The men's MitB should be good. New Day vs Usos should be solid. I just want Orton vs Mahal to end and I really don't care how at this point, I want it over with tonight. The women's MitB and title match both have good shots at being the worst thing of the year, Non-Reigns/ McMahon related.

Breezango, AA, Harper, Rowan, Dillinger, English, Ascension, and Sin Cara all without a match is pathetic to me. Everyone doesn't need to be on each ppv, but with a ppv like MitB that has never had a set number of competitors for the MitB match + the show's tag line of being "The Land of Opportunity", alone makes that many being left off look dumb. Then you have a pre-show match that has absolutely no storyline and was just thrown together last minute and it could easily of just been a 8,10, or 12 man showcase tag match or something. Hell have a pre-show mini battle royal with the winner getting a spot in the MitB match.

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16 Jun 2017 01:29:59
If nobody saw omega vs okada 2 give it a watch brilliant match.

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18 Jun 2017 10:45:21
It's a great match. Even better than the first one.

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14 Jun 2017 11:38:59
i don't get what wwe are doing with bray wyatt, one minute it looks like a feud with balor is on the cards which I was looking forward to and now it looks like a feud with rollins is happening which doesn't really excite me

i reckon they will have balor vs reigns at summerslam because I am sure on balor's facebook page after reigns beat him a little while ago he said something like this is far from over.

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14 Jun 2017 21:19:48
After not knowing for a while when Lesnar would defend the title next, they ended up having to change the original ME of ER from Strowman vs Reigns to the 5way. Which they then appeared to change the winner of that from Balor to Joe. So that's part of the reason things are disjointed. Vince being Vince is always a big part. With various people potentially being available for SS and Lesnar's willingness to do anything likely playing roles as well.

There are a bunch of rumors for a lot of people right now, so I don't think they even now who's doing what at SS.
*Reigns vs Goldberg is being rumored for SS now.
*Joe/ Lesnar may continue through SS.
*HHH/ Steph are rumored to be behind the Angle/ Graves stuff.
*Cena is rumored to be floating between shows as a "free agent" and/ or beating Jinder for #17.
*Hardyz are rumored to be splitting.
*Ambrose was rumored for a heel turn, with them continuously teasing some type of turn.
-Strowman was just cleared to return as well.

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15 Jun 2017 11:25:18
I think Bray's Raw move has hurt him, there is a lot of top end talent there, and people like Joe, Rollins, Balor, Lesnar, Braun, Reigns are all booked to not care about his hokum.

He is just a heel to get beat in that bunch.

I try not to worry about rumours of what may happen, as it stops you being surprised when it does.

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15 Jun 2017 19:33:14
There has been talk that he may turn face very soon.
I'm not too sure how that would work. Can the be a nice Eater of Worlds?

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13 Jun 2017 20:21:26
A lot of the great finishing moves are no longer with us. Stone Cold, The Rock, Taker, HHH etc all had signature finishes, but what are the best of the current crop?
Styles has a couple, there is the Coup de Grace, Helluva Kick, Sister Abigail a variety of powerbombs, some choke outs etc. Rollins is keeping the pedigree going and of course Orton still has the RKO.
I must admit that I do enjoy Corbin's End of Days and I loved Neville's Red Arrow,
Thoughts?

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14 Jun 2017 10:24:24
I hate AJ's elbow as a finish, just saying.

The RKO is probably the most over finish, because it comes out of nowhere.

Too many are obviously coming, Kinshasa, Helluva Kick, Pop Up Powerbomb, all very obvious.

Its hard to get submission finishers over, because people don't seem to want to tap out very often.

Bray's is a great move with a crap name.

The Curb Stomp was great, I think I like the short arm knee to the face.

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14 Jun 2017 17:12:22
the code breaker is a great finisher.

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15 Jun 2017 00:10:36
For me what makes a great finisher is something that can be used on anyone (or the majority), it looks fairly legit, it's something that fits the person/ style, and it has it's own spin to it. Then the rest is on management to build that person/ move up.

There aren't any "great" finishers today because the only person they treat like they're great is Reigns, and his spear finisher has been done better by numerous people.

I totally agree with Bessex that a lot of them are too obviously setup. It's likely to get the "It's wrestling psychology" line, but they all tend to defy combat logic by being noisy and/ or doing something that gives the opponent too much time to react.

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15 Jun 2017 00:10:36
For me what makes a great finisher is something that can be used on anyone (or the majority), it looks fairly legit, it's something that fits the person/ style, and it has it's own spin to it. Then the rest is on management to build that person/ move up.

There aren't any "great" finishers today because the only person they treat like they're great is Reigns, and his spear finisher has been done better by numerous people.

I totally agree with Bessex that a lot of them are too obviously setup. It's likely to get the "It's wrestling psychology" line, but they all tend to defy combat logic by being noisy and/ or doing something that gives the opponent too much time to react.

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15 Jun 2017 11:29:06
They've also watered down finishers by only ever having clean finishes using the finishers.

If Roman Reigns never wins off a drive by, samoan drop, or superman punch it makes you wonder why he does them? Why wouldn't he be trying to hit the spear non stop?

You want more exciting matches create a few different scenarios for endings.

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15 Jun 2017 19:41:26
The crowds expect to see a particular wrestler use a certain move, not just finishing ones. Orton dropping an opponent of the ropes and Ambrose's rebound clothesline never finish a match but they are expected to be seen.
A prime example is when we get a six man tag team before a PPV when at the end each member gets to use their own finishing move until only one stands tall.
This isn't a new thing, but it seems that it occurs more now. It is almost wrestling by numbers.

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11 Jun 2017 05:39:32
I saw an either or, of 'Shield reunion' or 'Punk/ AJ return' and it got me thinking of others.

*RAW/ SD are PG and are both 2 hours or RAW/ SD are TV 14 and both 3 hours?
*HHH runs RAW, Vince runs SD or Steph runs RAW, Shane runs SD?
*NXT goes 2 hours or 205 Live is run by Heyman?
*At SS, KO vs Harper vs Corbin, U. S. title match or Bray vs Matt vs Jeff, IC title match?
*Joe/ Miz switch shows with Styles/ Sami or Reigns/ Lesnar switch with Jinder/ Cena?
-Retires Lesnar: Cesaro or Nakamura?
-Joins HHH's "Authority-rEvolution" and turns heel: Ambrose or Reigns?
-Gets the top babyface push: Rollins or Balor?
-Beats Roode for the NXT title: McIntyre or Black?
-Main events WM: Becky vs Charlotte or Sasha vs Bayley?

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11 Jun 2017 08:12:20
1. tv14 and 3 hours
2. steph and shane
3. nxt 2 hours
4. ko, harper, corbin (what a match! )
5. reigns/ lesnar for jinder/ cena (can't lose aj)
6. nakamura (but honestly, neither)
7. reigns
8. rollins (but preferably neither)
9. mcintyre
10. becky vs charlotte.

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12 Jun 2017 14:09:22
Punk return > Shield

• TV14 all day
• HHH and Vince
• 205 with Heyman (only because NXT is perfect and 205 does need change)
• KO vs Corbyn vs Harper (Corbyn to finish second and celebrate)
• Reigns and Lesnar
• Nakamura (though both are mental)
• Reigns
• Rollins
• McIntyre
• Sasha and Bayley (sad to leave Charlotte out)

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10 Jun 2017 16:44:24
Bit dry on here lately so thought I'd ask a question.

Favourite Hell in a cell match ever?

I personally loved HHH vs Foley and also the Armageddon 6 way one.

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10 Jun 2017 20:52:52
Me, I really loved the 2005 Batista/ HHH. It was brutal and HHH put Batista over clean. Great match.

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11 Jun 2017 02:01:18
I'd have to go Taker vs HHH, w/ HBK as special ref. at WM 28. I think it's one of the best matches ever, in terms of story telling.

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12 Jun 2017 14:01:52
The original HBK vs Taker Badd Blood was great, I assume everyone is deliberately ducking mentioning Survivors Series 97, Brock vs Taker with Paul E was brilliant.

I don't think Jables pick from WM28 can be topped really.

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13 Jun 2017 12:58:21
Badd Blood and Trips Vs Foley would be my go to Hell in a cell matches.

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03 Jun 2017 11:03:02
What can be done to rescues RAW?
Obviously the programme is too long and the RAW world champ Lesnar is one of the part timers Jericho recently had a pop at.
I would get the Shield back together. Vince is betting everything on his favourite Reigns while HHH is doing the same with Rollins. Neither is really doing it and neither is capturing the minds of the public. Ambrose really needs a boost as well.
I would let Wyatt, Balor or Joe win the 5 way and Miz win the IC.
Let Reigns, Rollins and Ambrose go on runs where they keep getting screwed and they have to eventually reunite to fight back.
Have a Wyatt faction and an authority faction for them to feud with.
A revamped Shield would at the very least improve the viewing figures and at best breath new life into a stale show.

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04 Jun 2017 03:24:45
I think the first thing they need to do is get rid of the looming feeling that nothing matters but Reigns vs Lesnar at Mania, and get the match out of the way asap. Letting it be known that they'll have different opponents at WM. I feel they also need to put Reigns in a position that reflects how the fans view him. Which is the corporate "golden boy".

Ambrose needs a heel run before going back to the top as a lovable anarchistic sociopath tweener.
Rollins needs them to get people to feel his struggle and root for his climb.
Balor needs time in the IC division and exploration of the duality of his character.
Joe needs his skill hyped more.
Strowman needs to beat Lesnar.
Miz needs to look more serious and win more on cunning.
Bray could use a face turn and winning feuds.
Cesaro needs a Benoit push.
Sheamus and the Hardyz should aid in making the above happen.
Tag division needs gutted and rebuilt around the Revival.
Low-carders need to be handled/ used much better.

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04 Jun 2017 12:32:08
In a recent interview with sean waltman.
He said road dogg is in charge of smackdown.
Vince doesn't even look at it he focuses on raw
Which might explain why nxt and smackdown are so much better than raw.

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04 Jun 2017 18:05:04
Vince has been the correct answer for the main reason why RAW is ever bad, all the way from the beginning. Vince's entire writing/ storytelling ability is basically 'Adventures of Superman' vs Marvel villain rejects and lazily stereotyped "evil" foreigners.

There are never ending stories about the struggle it took people to get almost anything/ everything that ever worked to happen. From Stone Cold even getting signed and them wanting to call him Chilly McFreeze, to the Rock being kept from doing Reigns like "Sufferin Succotash" promos at the height of the Monday Night Wars, to Vince only hiring Gail Kim after he was shown the popularity of asian porn.

Basically whenever a show wasn't being lorded over by Vince, it was significantly better. The AE, SD 2003, FCW, NXT, SD 2016, CWC, UK.

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04 Jun 2017 18:05:04
Vince has been the correct answer for the main reason why RAW is ever bad, all the way from the beginning. Vince's entire writing/ storytelling ability is basically 'Adventures of Superman' vs Marvel villain rejects and lazily stereotyped "evil" foreigners.

There are never ending stories about the struggle it took people to get almost anything/ everything that ever worked to happen. From Stone Cold even getting signed and them wanting to call him Chilly McFreeze, to the Rock being kept from doing Reigns like "Sufferin Succotash" promos at the height of the Monday Night Wars, to Vince only hiring Gail Kim after he was shown the popularity of asian porn.

Basically whenever a show wasn't being lorded over by Vince, it was significantly better. The AE, SD 2003, FCW, NXT, SD 2016, CWC, UK.

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05 Jun 2017 10:09:26
I think they half ass the characters, I think The New Day proved that the midcard could matter.

Raw has been the same for years, it opens with a long promo, that basically sets up the main event, the last 30 minutes is that event, they'll have an interview in the middle to hype that event, and very little that happens on the show outside of that matters.

EVERYTHING SHOULD MATTER.

If Titus O'Neil beats R-Truth I want the story to tell you why they are fighting, and what happens next for both guys. They can't just fight have one win and it never gets mentioned again.

That's what local talent are for.

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01 Jun 2017 11:07:17
Oh dear god no, the phenomenal AJ Styles jobbing to zigzag.

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01 Jun 2017 14:38:05
As much as I agree that Styles should be beating Ziggler, I think it is better that these surprises do come along every now and again so that it doesn't become too boring and predictable.

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01 Jun 2017 17:30:27
If they were logically consistent. It would be a hard thing to complain about, because it would be a realistic representation of sports. Some times a struggling or bad team/ fighter wins when people don't expect it. WWE isn't logic or consistent though. So when they do stuff like that, it just looks like they're trying to cool the person off.

In regards to this particular incident, I will admittedly laugh my arse off if Ziggler repeats what Ambrose did, last year, at MitB.

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01 Jun 2017 20:07:46
I have no problem with this at all.
Ziggler is part of the PPV and it makes sense to give each entrant some success in the build up and a surprise is always welcome.
Ussally the build up is so predictable. Just look at RAW.

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02 Jun 2017 10:29:40
Firstly, That's not jobbing.

Secondly, Ziggler hasn't been flavour of the month for a long time but he is long standing one of the best in ring performers, I am glad to see him get a clean win in a main event.

I am sure this one done to create the idea that Ziggler can win MITB (hey perhaps he can)

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02 Jun 2017 11:55:27
Aj is far and away the best wrestler on the roster having him job to zigzag is akin to letting hardcore holly go over stone cold clean . Wwe obviously doesn't know what it has with aj and my worse fears when I heard he was going there are starting to materialize.

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02 Jun 2017 13:49:55
The bloke that The Drifter beat on Raw was jobbing.

Losing a 20 minute main event against another former world champion to promote how open a 6 man ladder match happening in a few weeks is, just isn't doing "the job" its those guys doing their job.

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02 Jun 2017 13:53:40
In my opinion smaller guys like Aj, Ziggler, Sami, Bryan, Punk, HBK, and Balor actually benefit from being beatable.

I makes it so much more powerful when they win.

Surly nobody wants to get an undefeated year down the road and be talking about "Super AJ".

Sometimes the benefit for the product is that the other guy benefits more from the win than the bigger star.

When AJ beats him down the road it'll mean something.

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02 Jun 2017 19:50:52
Bessex, just one thing is getting beat clean 1.2.3 not known as doing a job for a fellow wrestler ? And if that is the case and you are said wrestler , doesn't it then mean that you have been jobbing for the aforementioned wrestler? And zigzag ain't no main eventer, if you think he is on par with aj your having a laugh .

Also aj has just came off a defeat on a ppv so it would make more sense in my eyes to start building him up again , rather than lose more ground putting a mid card talent ( at best ) over .

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03 Jun 2017 10:52:04
I'm with Bessex on this. Dolph is not in the jobber category. There is little point in having him in the MIB if he has no chance of winning.

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03 Jun 2017 23:23:14
You agree with bessex but haven't even read or understood the posts? I never said ziggler was a jobber! Read the post's above, I said aj was jobbing to ziggler, who is a mid carder at best . Why post a comment if you can't be bothered reading the thread?

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04 Jun 2017 03:59:40
If Ziggler just goes back to being the pre-show allstar, then I'll be mad. He doesn't need to win MitB, but he should be kept at least as a fringe upper-carder and away from feuds like Kalisto/ Crews and the "best" of 23 with Corbin.

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05 Jun 2017 10:24:47
Precious, In short I'm not 100% on how the IWC uses "Jobber" "Jobbing" and "Doing the job" but traditionally those phases are used to describe somebody who is only wrestling for a quick buck.

Literally doing a job, just to get paid.

Technically nobody in the WWE is a jobber, the closest thing is James Elsworth, but he got himself a contract and a character.

You might argue that someone like Darren Young is a modern day jobber, but even then he's technically "enhancement talent" which is a nice way of saying jobber. Only there to make the guy you're losing to look good.

Doing the job is going out and getting beat up to make the other guy look good, collecting your money, and going home.

When two top stars have a decent match that's promoted and pushing forward with a story, that's not jobbing, eventually one of them will win the feud, which was always known as "Doing the honours" or "doing a favour" if a top guy elevates someone by letting them win.

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05 Jun 2017 10:31:47
My point is the loser of every match isn't jobbing, there is very little jobbing done on WWE TV.

The 3 man band were sort of jobbers, but their role was enhancing the other talent while trying to get over by being funny, they had contracts and everything they did was geared to keeping them on TV.

However Orton didn't do the job for Jahinder, he did the favour.

It might only seem like a little thing, but I think the older guys amongst us see someone being called jobber as an insult (especially if they are not) so this whole thread is kind of in defence of the fact AJ wasn't being mistreated but rather doing what is necessary to promote the Money In The Bank match.

I hope this clears up how I view the difference in language, and why AJ and Dolfs main event was actually decent.

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05 Jun 2017 19:59:45
OK Precious. You never called Ziggler a Jobber. But you have implied that he does not deserve to be in the same ring as Styles which is absolutely ridiculous.
I would be bored beyond all reason to have Styles win time after time against good wrestlers just to please you.
What exactly do you want? This is the build up to MIB. By your reasoning Ziggler needn't bother turning up.
Would you be happy having Styles, Nakamura, Orton and Owens beating everyone else and then just wrestling each other at PPVs? Would you get upset if someone like Corbin beat Styles? Would you give someone like Cass the chance to join the elite?
The current world champion would have been rated further down the card than Ziggler just weeks ago.

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05 Jun 2017 23:07:10
in there books Bret hart talks about doing the job for Shaun and mick Foley talks about being asked to do a job for several wrestlers, you are getting confused with someone being a jobber ( enhancement talent ) and someone doing a job ( putting a fellow wrestler over clean ) , the past tense of which is jobbing.

I have been watching wrestling since my dad's old 2 and a half meter dish picked up tbs and old wcw was on, you have made this thread about semantics' job, jobber and jobbing are just words, fact is it should be about why aj is putting over a mid carder like ziggler, especially coming off a ppv loss, when we should be talking about, aj, ko, bray and Rollins all main eventers', imo, should all be chasing or defending the top belt, instead they have it on a part timer who hasn't been seen in months . Wrestling isn't just dying it's dead .

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06 Jun 2017 12:46:23
Well we can disagree on the language.

I will be the first to admit Ziggler as a character is a bit stale, but he is a former world champ, and one of the best in ring performers going.

I simply don't think he is mid card, and the fact they had him beat AJ clean in the main event of Smackdown suggests neither do the WWE's decision makers.

I'm sure they are trying to rebuild the Smackdown 6 success of the early brand splits, by putting the best workers in top spots and making it less about showmanship, and more about exciting and unpredictable matches.

People want "I didn't see that coming" matches, enjoy it when someone like Dolf gets to pin AJ, Jahider pins Orton, or Samoa Joe gets to win over Rollins, Balor, and Reigns.

I personally didn't think twice about AJ losing, and don't think it has lowered him.

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06 Jun 2017 16:39:54
Jesus precious is the right name isn't it, if someone doesn't have the same opinion as u it makes the site about opinions of many fans calm down precious.

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06 Jun 2017 23:50:28
Absolutely johny boy if we all had the same opinion it would make for a pretty boring site, fact is I was wrongly called out on something and defend my opinion , if you don't like that perhaps your the one that should get over it, you have added nothing here, so why not just not read my post if it's going to get your bottom lip trembling , or is it you don't like someone debating with your hero bessex?

Coys again I never " implied" anything my posts are very clear, I have no problem with aj being in the same ring as ziggler, my thoughts on it are he should not have been putting him over clean, coming off a ppv loss, Jesus the guy was in a feud with bottom feeders like appolo and sin cara just a week before and now he is beating aj clean it's ridiculous.

I would have no problem if it was Corbin, or ko or the Japanese lady boy ( even if I don't rate him ) that would at least made sense in the grand scheme of things . I see a lot of the respected wrestling journalists agree with me also, but on here it seems bessex is god and no one can have a different opinion.

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07 Jun 2017 10:04:20
Hey, I'm just discussing, I certainly haven't insulted you, or meant to in anyway, we just disagree, which is fine.

As for being a God, well, the true messiah would never claim such things, I'll leave it to my followers to decide. ;0)

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07 Jun 2017 15:13:25
And I have no problem with that bessex, I actually respect your opinion and I haven't insulted you personally either . Its your minions who have contributed nothing to this thread other than, I agree with bessex, you bad man no arguments with bessex, ect . That are grinding my balls 😆.

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07 Jun 2017 15:38:34
I sorry if you feel marginalised, I'm actually really enjoying having a proper wrestling debate.

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08 Jun 2017 09:55:59
Does anyone think it helped make anyone look stronger to have AJ beat Dolf in a much shorter match early on the show this week?

I suppose its about making them appear in the league and competitive, but they could have easily gone up against different opponents this week.

I feel like Nakumura is beating Owens too consistantly.

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08 Jun 2017 13:42:55
Wow. Just wow. I agree and disagree with contributors on this site all the time, but I don't try to make any of it personal.
Just because someone disagrees with you, but agrees with someone else does not make them a 'minion'. Grow up.

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09 Jun 2017 10:08:28
I didn't give you permission to contribute, COYS?

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09 Jun 2017 12:18:28
LOL.
Precious. Why don't we call a truce? I extend my arm for a digital handshake.

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09 Jun 2017 14:18:28
Bessex you think ziggler is a main eventer, fair enough , I don't I think his ship has sailed, they could have made him one but terrible booking has made this impossible now imo, just recently they have had him fighting and getting beat from sin cara and Cruz, how can you come back from that to be a main eventer? It's nearly impossible . I had High hopes for the brand split but the wwe is worse now than ever, I miss what it used to be, where are the factions , the surprise , the story telling , the personal rivalries .

The fans have to take responsibility as well no one has any real heat anymore , the fans cheer for any decent heel, the two wrestlers who get the most heat are the miz ( because he is a very good heel who knows how to work the crowd ) and roman ( unintentionally) there are very few baby faces or heels anymore, it's like they all came out of Vinces wrestle maker 2000 machine, it's for the kids now 😞 just like power rangers, I think it may be finished for adults .

Coys yes if you come on and agree with a post, without reading it, or offering an original opinion, just because of the name at the bottom , you are by sheer definition a minion.

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09 Jun 2017 19:21:01
I take it the handshake is refused then?

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10 Jun 2017 12:06:33
Coys, I put that up before i saw your post was up, now you have shamed me by being the bigger man, I extend a digital hand to your sir 😅😅.

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10 Jun 2017 14:35:54
Nice one Precious. let's do it again, but nicer next time.

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12 Jun 2017 13:58:18
(This is the bit where you're supposed to double cross him)

Lolz. Glad we are all getting on again.

I'd say nothing is impossible in pro wrestling, certainly not losing one year then becoming hot the next. It happens all the time, some of the best have had bad periods before rising like a Phoenix.

Imagine if Bradshaw was just always half of a midcard tag team, losing to all sorts, before he became a wrestling Gaaaaawd.

What about DDP, a jobber for years, before becoming the Master of the Diamond Cutter.

I feel a recovery happens when a guy is put in a spot where he starts wining again.

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29 May 2017 11:03:11
One for you Jables mate.
I am sure that a while ago the WWE announced they were going to be touring in India this September, but now it seems they have no plans to go this year.
If this is right, they may well have pushed Jinder too early.
It also looks like they will be having him feud with Nakamura in the summer and I just can't see them allowing Nakamura to lose this feud.
Any truth in these rumours?

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29 May 2017 17:26:56
Whether or not they planned on going to India tomorrow, september, or 5 years down the line. It was a stupid decision to put the title on Jinder the way they did. It's like if FIFA decided to scrap the World Cup tournament after the qualifiers next year and just go with Germany vs the Jacksonville Jaguars for the championship.

If they want to go with Jinder fine. Just put him in a place where he has a chance to succeed. Aimlessly throwing the title on him a month after jobbing to Mojo, and everyone else the last 4 years, isn't it. Without the build, story, and logic, there's no creation of real passion. Just like countless people before him, the heat will quickly dissipate but the hate will last forever. Instead of having a shot to become a legend, he'll just end up being a trivia question.

As for Nakamura. I've heard he's a favorite to win MitB and various things about him being a focal point of SD in general, but everything is still being decided by Vince. Who has been on a roll of bad decisions since RR.

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30 May 2017 12:16:04
I read a report that Jinder is meant to have it until RR and then drop it to Cena. I really hope that is BS.

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30 May 2017 12:37:00
I quite like Jinder as the champ. He hasn't gone from nothing to something as he hasn't won a match clean yet. He is probably the only man both the younger fans and us older fans both did not want to have as the champion which technically makes him the best heel in the company. A lot of the other heels have a strong fan base still where as Jinder gets instant heat from everyone. I think the Indian market is strong enough without WWE needing to tour. Jinder's run also coincided with a brand new T-shirt and the first WWE Megastore to open in India so i'm sure the money is rolling in nicely.

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02 Jun 2017 10:35:00
I'm happy with Jinder as a heel champ, its important to remember its all just a show, so just because someone loses for years doesn't mean they can't just start winning.

We are not talking Peter Crouch suddenly having a 50 goal season in a legit sport, its wrestling, if we were booking football Crouchy could just have a 50 goal season, and Jinder vs Brooklyn Brawler for the title could be the Main Event.

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27 May 2017 11:37:55
Jericho is reported as saying he won't be back for a long time and that he might never wrestle again.
He has said if he never had another match, it wouldn't bother him.
I know he has a history of having long breaks, but if this is the end of a brilliant career, all I can say is thank you Chris.

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27 May 2017 12:18:09
he tends to say that after every run!

There is no way on earth that is his last run, he has much more to offer still!

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28 May 2017 03:21:55
He's scheduled to be a part of the Japan weekend tour. Facing Itami on Friday June 30th, and then be in a Fatal 4way the next day against Balor, Miz, and Ambrose. When he comes back to tv is still a question though.

As for retiring, I think he'll try to keep going at least until the end of 2020, when he'll celebrate 30 years in wrestling that October and his 50th birthday the following month.

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30 May 2017 12:16:36
Lets hope so because he is still awesome.

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02 Jun 2017 10:40:02
I'll be a monkey's uncle if he doesn't come back to take Vengeance on that pesky Kevin Owens.

He is as over as anybody and going out on top like this leaves everybody wanting more.

I'd love to see him get a Career vs Career match with another old timer at WM.

Big Show, Kane, HHH, perhaps even Goldberg or Lesnar.

Guys his age, with his history should go out in a match that means something.

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21 May 2017 21:34:37
Backlash predictions.
Dillinger
Harper
Corbin
Nakamura
Hogettes (Welcoming Committee)
Usos
Styles
Orton.

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22 May 2017 10:44:46
Unbelievable stuff. The dream has arrived.

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22 May 2017 20:43:19
I hope he loses it to Charlotte.

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22 May 2017 23:09:33
Was some good wrestling at backlash actually enjoyed the most of it.

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23 May 2017 11:05:19
Well Randy doesn't gain anything from being champ, I don't think we can deny Jahinder is massively elevated by it. Seems like good business.

They are making his finisher seem dangerous as well, he beat a couple of top guys with the Kallasis now.

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23 May 2017 20:43:11
Couldn't agree more Bessex. Let Orton go heel, which he is far better at than a face.
I am fairly sure that they will keep the title on Jinder for a while, maybe even until September when the WWE has a big tour of India lined up.
Funnily enough, Junder is being pushed as a face in India and he does two sets of out of ring interviews. The face one for India and the heel one for the rest of us.
I said a little while ago the main shows needed a shake up and this is a promising start.

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24 May 2017 10:29:56
It may be the most basic Sheiky Baby rip off going, but those Americans do love to boo Middle Eastern people, even when they're not from the middle east.

Cheap heat over no heat.

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24 May 2017 16:43:29
Charlotte represents a demographic almost 3 times bigger than Jinder (3.7 bil. Women to 1.3 bil. Indians), it would really shake things up, be different, elevate her, and sexism is even more of a cheap heat magnet than racism.

Sami and KO can be her bear and cub, gay bodyguards. Styles can be her hair stylist, Nakamura can be her manicurist. They can then say she married Kofi's non existent brother who stayed in Africa and became a King. So she can be the African Queen.

Then after 6 weeks, we can turn Ho Ho Lun into the Scause-du-jour, when WWE gives him a lazy push to the title because they want to use China to prop up Network subscriber numbers.

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25 May 2017 14:47:51
I actually rate Jinder, I can't get my head around people being disappointed.

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25 May 2017 20:36:40
I'm not disappointed. I think it is part of the shake up the WWE needs.

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26 May 2017 09:46:38
It sort of reminds me of the outrage that came when JBL became World Champ. The whole "He is just a tag team jobber, and he's been a loser for 10 years, now we are supposed to buy him as invincible" argument feels identical.

Justin Hawk Bradshaw tweaked his gimmick and JBL became a wraaaastling Gaaaaawd.

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20 May 2017 12:44:26
Is it just me or does anyone else feel that the WWE is just trading water at the moment, even more than in the past?
We have a champion with Lesnar who we never see, a champion with Orton who is looking stale and has no competition, the likes of Ambrose and Rollins stalling and having no obvious future storylines, Cena and Jericho gone for the foreseeable future and PPVs that are just glorified versions of the main shows.
Both the red and blue brands need a shake up or the current drop in ratings will continue.

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21 May 2017 21:28:42
My Shake-up.
*RAW is run by HHH.
*SD is run by Heyman.
*NXT expanded to 2 hours and is run by Gabe Sapolsky.
*Main Event and 205 live get replaced by a WCW Saturday Night like show, run by Arn Anderson.
*Vince takes Reigns, Jinder, Show, and Henry, to start the AIME (Africa, India, Middle East) division.
*Shane takes Cena to start the Chinese division.

-RAW's 1st hour is for the Women's division, hype for the "main show", and announcements/ presentations for things like Make-a-Wish and Susan G Komen. Hours 2 and 3 return to a Warzone and RAW is War like format.
-RAW gets the tag team division, with the Women's, and SD gets the CWs.
-NXT takes on a role more like the early days of WWECW.
-"WWE Saturday Night" is made a one stop shop for showcasing mid to low card talent throughout the company.
-The AIME and Chinese subdivisions have their own shows, tour year round in their regions, and are separate from the main product (s) .

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22 May 2017 10:43:51
I would really love to see a fully adult wrestling program on the network.

Just an hour a week, strong style matches, risky content, strong language, basically and episode of Raw from 1998, put a parental lock on the network, for 16 and over.

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18 May 2017 20:03:05
See 5 Star Wrestling have offered Punk $1,000,000.00 to appear in their tour that starts on 10 June.
Personally I don't think they stand a chance and Punk will have one more go of making a fool of himself in MMA.

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19 May 2017 17:00:40
Right now he's doing a competition reality show on MTV, so it doesn't seem like MMA is too high on his priorities list right now. I don't think the 5* offer will be anything more to him, than a bargaining chip for if/ when he does finally decide to wrestle again.

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16 May 2017 06:55:20
A great balls of fire PPV, is that real or a wind up? If real it has to be the most cringeworthy name ever used for a PPV of any kind.

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16 May 2017 09:05:00
Its Real. They names it after Kane's Balls.

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16 May 2017 12:29:56
It smells like Vince's thing that if he finds things funny then he will go with it!
Terrible name for a PPV.

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16 May 2017 13:31:40
Throw back to In Your House: Totally random sentence.

Wouldn't be surprised if there was an inferno match, or perhaps a return of Kane.

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16 May 2017 15:29:47
Cena recently said that there are more episodes of SRW in the works, so I'm still holding out hope GBoF is actually a part of that and not a real ppv. If it is real, I already feel sorry for everyone that has to work, 'goodness gracious' into their promos.

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12 May 2017 08:40:12
I don't think WWE really help Roman Reigns. I have just seen an article saying that Reigns' next feud will be against The Miz. As we saw at Mania a lot of people love heel Miz and will cheer him over some faces such as Cena. i'm starting to think WWE know what they are doing and they are using Reigns to get certain heels over with the adult fans. Sell Reigns merch to the kids and Miz merch to the adults. Are they cleverererererer than we think.

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12 May 2017 10:43:35
They are definitely cleverer they get credit for, I am sure they don't care if you boo or cheer Roman, as people keep buying a ticket to do so.

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12 May 2017 12:25:17
the moment that reigns turns heel then the adults will cheer him! there is no logic to it. Of course the wwe know what they are doing with him. They trolled everyone at the rumble having him come out at 30 and it worked a treat.

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12 May 2017 14:13:00
Adults tend to already like the heels, so having them made to look inferior and often times inexplicably temporarily brain damaged, at the hands of Reigns, does nothing to help them get liked anymore.

Turning him heel will only get him cheered if he can pull a megaton of personality out of his arse that's never been seen before, and he feuds with faces with even less personality than he shows now.

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12 May 2017 14:38:58
if he turns then he has to be the bad mofo that he looks like he could be. He just needs to beat the crap outta people.

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12 May 2017 17:20:24
I think adults prefer heels because most people would be horrible fight.

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12 May 2017 17:49:14
I'm not too sure that Reigns will turn heel anytime soon. Vince seems to love his big dog image in the face of everyone else and he sells merchandise to the kiddies.
Before any turn I suspect there will be a Shield reunion.
I'm also not too certain the Miz is that popular. Personally, I think he has done some of his best work recently, but is he likable? No.

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13 May 2017 13:23:17
I have never been a fan of the miz, in fact I can't stand him. But my god since they brought back his mrs, he is the biggest heel in the company. What he was doing in smackdown was just golden. From the back of that, you can see why vince put so much belief in him a few years back.

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15 May 2017 12:01:18
Hateable smug heels like Miz need to win to truly work, I'd like to see him get a MITB style situation and rob Roman after he beats Brock.

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11 May 2017 18:05:21
Jinder: I didn't take anything. I didn't steal anything.
I simply took what will be mine.

. ok jinder.

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12 May 2017 08:37:36
I been thinking about this whole steroid situation. I believe steroids only stay in your system for for a few weeks therefor he would not fail a drugs test. WWE state that no one can take such drugs while employed but it looks to me that Jinder, If he has taken them, would have done it before he re-signed. Therefor they would have left his system but he still has the results.

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12 May 2017 10:45:47
I am sure he will either get caught or proven innocent of any such assumptions.

Its a shame that a guy can't get lean and get the benefit of the doubt, but at the same time he s a heel, so add drugs cheat to reasons to boo him. lolz.

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12 May 2017 17:55:44
I have a certain admiration for him. He has been around for ages and has taken all sorts of crap. But he has stayed and now gets a chance at a PPV.
Who knows? Maybe he will actually win it. Orton at the moment is very stale and is not doing anything to progress Smackdown.
Let Jinder have a moment in the sun, let him help sell the Network in Asia and then let Styles, KO, Nakamura or even Corbin take it off him.

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13 May 2017 14:30:55
I agree coys, for the amount of times that he has made a crap gimmick half decent, he deserves a little glory. If he doesn't even win it from Orton its a good run for him.
Personally, I don't think he has juiced either.

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15 May 2017 12:02:59
I hope he isn't just thrown to the bottom, rather that this run and a few showing with Orton, keeps him at least at US title level.

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11 May 2017 10:38:15
Steph is apparently pushing for a PPV in the UK.
Not before time, but it would have to be one of the big ones otherwise it would just be a glorified RAW or Smackdown.
Mania won't leave the US which leaves either the Rumble or Summerslam, and I suspect it would be the latter. 1992 was a massive success and I am surprised it hasn't been repeated.
Doesn't have to be in London either, but it does have to be a stadium.
Wembley is an obvious favourite, but Manchester, Cardiff, Edinburgh or Glasgow could also host a major PPV and each would sell out in hours.
Really hopes this happens, sooner rather than later.

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11 May 2017 15:19:19
I would say Cardiff may be the best bet as it has the roof in case of the bad weather, which let's face it is a big issue for the Uk.

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11 May 2017 22:01:24
I'd extend the Fall European tour a week and cap it off with SvS week in a European city, on a yearly basis. Then give London SummerSlam in 2022 and make a massive deal about it being a return 30 years in the making.

Like you said, they're going to keep Mania in the U. S. With the Rumble and SummerSlam, they'll probably get to the point where they'll do one or the other outside of the U. S. every 5 years or so at most. But with SvS they could kill a bunch of birds with one stone, if they extended the tour a little longer and used it to wrap up most of the rest of the year in terms of live events and programming.

Doing something like this.
Week 1: Secondary countries tour. (Germany, Italy, Spain, etc. )
Week 2: Holiday programming, and special interest live events. (Asia, Africa, India, etc. )
Week 3: SvS week. (TakeOver, SvS, RAW/ SD/ NXT)

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12 May 2017 10:50:10
With the network they can just add in a PPV, and Cardiff would be ideal, 75,000 in doors, and they'd be able to charge what they want for floor seats.

As long s it was built right, and treated on tv like it was that months PPV it would be massive, obviously it would be helpful if it was a two brand PPV, perhaps room for it to be three brand?

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10 May 2017 23:18:52
When is the miz going to come out of the closet.

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11 May 2017 10:44:51
What now? Who cares anyway?

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10 May 2017 23:18:52
When is the miz going to come out of the closet.

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10 May 2017 22:54:51
When is the miz going to come out of the closet??

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09 May 2017 22:10:12
Strowman is expected to be out 6-8 weeks and they're supposedly replacing him as Lesnar's opponent at GBoF.

They're also doing Ambrose vs Miz for the title which, along with Reigns probably needing someone to face at Extreme Rules, could lead to a big shake-up in the upper-card of the ppv.

Rollins vs Joe seems set, but what do people think will, or want, to happen at ER with Ambrose, Balor, Miz, Reigns, and Wyatt?

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10 May 2017 13:11:03
*Ambrose vs Miz for the title, next week.

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07 May 2017 06:50:26
Does anyone think manager's will ever be a big deal again remember when they used to play a major part in matches for me the best ever was Bobby the brain heenan I think a lot of the characters suffer now because everything is scripted. off the top of my head there is only one in the whole of wwe just know and that's Paul ellerin with the author's of pain.

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07 May 2017 16:36:54
I don't think we'll get any "big deal" managers again, but we're probably headed for a period with a lot of "part-time managers". There will probably be even more husband and wife teams, but they'll have the wife not only manage the husband but also be used in the women's division. With Renee getting involved with Ambrose's business, and vice versa, like Steph and HHH have with each other, over the years. I could also see Enzo and a few others, take on more of a role like Woods has had in New Day, where he's been more of a manager than a wrestler.

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08 May 2017 19:39:44
Very true jables they seem to go with the husband and wife thing just now don't get me wrong it can work the best example is miz and maryse because she isn't over exposed where as Stef wants to be the main character. Lana rusev aswell.

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08 May 2017 21:15:12
Heyman shows how it should be done. He has the mic skills and the ability to improvise when required.
Obviously Brock couldn't give a flying one about the WWE except for collecting his enormous pay cheque apparently for not turning up very often. Heyman not only sells Brock entertainingly, he also sells the opponent. He even made an ancient Goldberg seem relevant.
I really hope they don't make Enzo a manager. He is already annoying and any more mic time given to him may push me over the edge.

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09 May 2017 10:10:09
Your right about hayman but he isn't there full time so you forget about him and as great a talker he is he doesn't get involved the way I was meaning . I like what they are doing with enzo don't see him being a manager though.

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09 May 2017 18:46:09
I think Enzo's future after they break him and Cass up, is going to be similar to Michael Hayes' after the Freebirds broke up. Hayes wrestled and managed, then started becoming a commentator/ interviewer, then got back in to managing and got to have a few more matches.

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06 May 2017 14:34:19
On Lords of Pain they are currently counting down the top 100 tag teams of the Wrestelmania era.
I have had a think about this and only the Hardyz of the current and even recent crop would have a chance of cracking the top ten.
You have the Midnight Express, Hart Foundation, Edge and Christian, Bulldogs, Steiners, Dudleys. I could go on and on. But the Road Warriors/ LOD stand head and shoulders above everyone else.
Started as heels but ended up real favourites. In fact I can't remember another tag team that were actually more popular than the singles wrestlers with the crowd.
They have been copied many times, but never equaled.

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06 May 2017 19:44:04
Tag matches aren't what they used to be little things like the heels always cheating beating down one member before the hot tag for me it's the basics but best growing up I always liked the tag team championship till about 2010 there isn't any because they don't let them be they got told everything to say and do if you get me.

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07 May 2017 16:24:16
Its not as if the wrestlers today are worse than in the past. They are more athletic now, though a lack of genuinely charismatic superstars is another discussion.
It is that the WWE doesn't care about anything apart from a few headline individuals.
Reigns can randomly team up with a partner and they will beat an established tag team, which is wrong. And it isn't just Reigns in case someone thinks this is an anti Reigns rant. It isn't.
A decent tag team has to be built, has to develop a real partnership and decent storylines and relevant rivalries. If a team like the Usos had been around twenty years ago they would be appreciated much more than they are now because they would have had decent competition and a worthwhile title to go for.
All a tag teamsis now is filler.

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07 May 2017 17:20:13
Most of the tag teams that ended up being great, were/ are so in large part because of what they did outside of WWE. Save for twins like the Usos, basically every team in the Wrestlemania Era has had a main roster shelf life of about 3 years or less. The Hardys were broken up, the first time, right around 3 years, but were one of the rare occasions where they both stayed with the company long enough to have their own moments and be able to come back together to create more moments as a team.

Hopefully with HHH putting a lot of effort into tag teams in NXT and the resurgence of tag teams in the indies over the last 5-10 years, we'll get another boom period in WWE.

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08 May 2017 21:18:42
Can only hope Jables. I love a proper tag match. Once the jaw is better, I expect decent things from the Revival, but they will need competition.

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01 May 2017 11:28:01
Well. That was a very strange PPV. A few solid matches, I enjoyed the tag team match with the heel turn and an open goal for the return of Broke Matt Hardy and I enjoyed the cruisers as well. Jericho winning was a surprise, which is always good, but I will be amazed if KO doesn't get his revenge this week.
But the rest?
Glad Strowman won and the you deserved it chants at Reigns mad me laugh, but the commentators constant upping of Reigns ruined the match for me.
Rollins/ Joe was a waste of time.
BUT the House of Horrors? What were they thinking of. There is experimenting and there is pure garbage. Guess where this one fits?

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01 May 2017 21:43:06
I enjoyed the house of horrors match was different was a cheap horror film strowman is my favourite right now just keeps getting better did not see Jericho winning was a nice surprise.

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02 May 2017 11:12:37
Most matches were solid but the House of Horrors match didn't work and Seth v Joe was decent but was missing something. I enjoyed all the other matches, especially Strowman! Braun is quality! Proper entertaining.

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02 May 2017 22:56:22
Decent ppv and a solid RAW. The future looks pretty meh for both shows until MitB though. So hopefully there are still some surprises in the coming weeks.

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29 Apr 2017 15:05:18
I see Corbin has been suspended for a week for shoving an official.
This could do him good.
Corbin has the potential to be the top proper heel on Smackdown.
Miz and Wyatt have gone to the Red side and Owens will always have that comic element to him.
There is a large vacancy and Corbin can fill it.

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30 Apr 2017 13:32:54
I see Owens as the smart heel who cheats to win and uses his brains as well as his in ring gas skills. I see Corbin as the solitary monster heel who just relies on his own toughness and will bully people and throw his weight around.

Corbin should get a good run with a mid card title. He can have a run with the US title once Owens and AJ have moved back into the main event picture. I fully expect AJ and Owens to be fighting over the WWE title in a few months time.

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28 Apr 2017 20:48:03
The RAW ppv in July will be called 'Great Balls of Fire' (At least for now anyways. ) It's also where Lesnar will have his first title defense.

I'm hoping they keep using 60 year old songs as a ppv names, so we can get WWE presents: Tutti Frutti, At the Hop, Whole lotta Shakin' going on, or Jailhouse Rock.

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28 Apr 2017 23:05:02
If we can get wwe danger zone or highwa to the danger zone I'll be happy.

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29 Apr 2017 01:39:30
WWE Danger Zone, would be the perfect name for a B ppv. (And I'm not just saying that because of my avatar. ) It's something that could be taken seriously but still has a little bit of the wrestling cheese factor.

I don't know how any of them are going to get through a promo without busting out laughing when they have to say or hear "Great Balls of Fire. "

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29 Apr 2017 12:27:11
They should have jerry commentate just for the PPV. Him shouting out great balls of fire during a women's match, priceless!

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29 Apr 2017 15:02:23
Good Golly Bob Holly springs to mind.
Surely they can't call it Great Balls of Fire!

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29 Apr 2017 15:34:02
Part of me is saying, this has to be some swerve where they eventually reveal that 'Great Balls of Fire' is just a viral marketing campaign for season 2 of SRW.

The other part of me remembers all the crazy things they've done in the past that would easily make it believable. Plus I want to see how they would advertise it on Instagram. As they take each person with a match and give them their own post with a ppv name related statement. Like "X is looking for Payback" or "X is ready to get Extreme".

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25 Apr 2017 21:35:06
I see a film on the life of Vince is in the offing.
It is supposedly being done by Tristar, but WWE are having some input.
I know Vince has had an interesting life, but has the Ego finally landed?

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26 Apr 2017 09:52:53
The only thing I know for sure is I will get in there and watch it.

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28 Apr 2017 11:50:36
ill be watching that. let's face it, if it wasn't for vince we wouldn't be on this page, we wouldn't be watching wrestling weekly. WCW and NWA would've failed regardless.

Whilst we sometimes moan about vince, he has a great mind for the business.

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23 Apr 2017 17:00:03
News and notes.
Mauro Ranallo has officially parted ways with WWE. Tajiri may be on his way out as well. (His departure likely being because of injuries. )

On RAW, Strowman will face Kalisto in a Dumpster match. "Monsters have weaknesses Braun, you are no monster. I challenge you to a dumpster match. Then I'll reveal the kind of monster trash you are. " -Tweet from Kalisto.

After RAW there will be an episode of Table for 3 with Styles, HBK, and Nash.

Still in the rumor column, Mike Bennett and Maria Kanellis are supposedly close to signing with WWE and are believed to be going right to Smackdown.

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24 Apr 2017 22:55:37
It was also just announced that Crazzy Steve was just signed.

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24 Apr 2017 22:55:37
It was also just announced that Crazzy Steve was just signed.

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24 Apr 2017 22:55:37
It was also just announced that Crazzy Steve was just signed.

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24 Apr 2017 22:55:37
It was also just announced that Crazzy Steve was just signed.

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25 Apr 2017 18:55:34
Crazy Steve has signed 4 times then, he must be on good money, lol 😁.

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25 Apr 2017 20:04:24
He's a 4 time 4 time 4 time 4 time. contract :P.

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25 Apr 2017 21:34:00
Crazzy Steve is so crazy that he can't be contained to one post. I love it MAGGLE!

It looks like Gunner will be finally signing as well. #WeAreNXTNA.

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